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[Sergarr]

That's a false dichotomy. What if the Mensheviks had taken over? You'd've gotten the same developments, but without all the purging and torturing and killing.

Well, for that to happen, they would have to be actually able to take over. And I'm fairly sure that Bolsheviks victory was not just a result of random chance.

[Dutchling]

That's a false dichotomy. What if the Mensheviks had taken over? You'd've gotten the same developments, but without all the purging and torturing and killing.

Well, for that to happen, they would have to be actually able to take over. And I'm fairly sure that Bolsheviks victory was not just a result of random chance.

So... might makes right?

[Helgoland]

Also I'm fairly sure it was - the Red victory in Russia was far from a foregone conclusion. They never had majority support, for example.

[Sheb]

Well, maybe not random, but its easy to imagine things turning differently.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Despite almost universally being murderous fuckwits, most of the mass communist movements had one vital thing going for them, and that was organization. In that sense, the Bolsheviks did indeed not win by chance, but by adequate preparation for the kind of chaos seen in the Russian Civil War.

[Sergarr]

That's a false dichotomy. What if the Mensheviks had taken over? You'd've gotten the same developments, but without all the purging and torturing and killing.

Well, for that to happen, they would have to be actually able to take over. And I'm fairly sure that Bolsheviks victory was not just a result of random chance.

So... might makes right?

No.

But you can't make right without might, yes?

[Dutchling]

Just because Might might have enabled Right, does not mean Might isn't a genocidal dictator.

[Loud Whispers]

Phage therapy is really cool though. too bad most of the phage collections were lost during the Georgian civil war.

I know, it's some sexy science especially with the threat of antibiotic resistant diseases. Too bad all the ruskie medical notes were written in russian

[Sergarr]

Just because Might might have enabled Right, does not mean Might isn't a genocidal dictator.

As one of my favorite Russian sayings go, "Good must be with fists". Because if you aren't capable or willing to inflict your version of goodness upon the world, then you are just another Manilov that imagines a wonderful future and then does nothing to actually realize it.

[mainiac]

Ghandi.  Martin Luther King.

[Sergarr]

Both of them had violent movements silently backing them up.

[mainiac]

That is an appalling mischaracterization.

[RedKing]

Yeah, but there's a grain of truth to it. Unintentional good cop, bad cop scenarios.

Work with King, or else you'll wind up facing Malcolm X.
Work with Ghandi, or else you'll wind up facing Chandra Bose.

[scrdest]

Yeah, but there's a grain of truth to it. Unintentional good cop, bad cop scenarios.

Work with King, or else you'll wind up facing Malcolm X.
Work with Ghandi, or else you'll wind up facing Chandra Bose.

Work with Stalin, or else you'll wind up facing... Stalin.

[Loud Whispers]

Yeah, but there's a grain of truth to it. Unintentional good cop, bad cop scenarios.

Work with King, or else you'll wind up facing Malcolm X.
Work with Ghandi, or else you'll wind up facing Chandra Bose.

Work with Stalin, or else you'll wind up facing... Stalin.

This would make the best police sitcom