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Author Topic: Sheb's European Megathread: Remove Feta!  (Read 1781730 times)

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15060 on: March 02, 2015, 09:48:56 pm »

Ed Miliband has announced his party plan on cutting English tuition fees to £6,000 from their current £9,000. George Kerevan, writing in the National, argues fees should be scrapped entirely and funded with a wealth tax, lest our economy suffocate and expire under a mountain of private debt, as the fee-based system used by the Americans will likely lead to in the States in coming decades.
I can't really disagree with that. Both because fees being gone would be in my best interest, and less cynically because the article's right. I know a bunch of people who, despite being very much capable and would benefit from it, are put off from pursuing a university education because of the costs. And likewise graduates in debt that they're not reasonably going to pay off.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15061 on: March 02, 2015, 10:10:17 pm »

Offering to lower tuition fees is pointless. Either you earn buckets-o-cash after graduating and the extra few thousand isn't noticeable in the long-run, or (like me) you never foresee paying it off and rarely (if ever) make payments. Only making it completely free (again!) would improve the system.

Any would-be students in the UK who are put off by the supposed costs haven't understood the system at all. You get given loads of free money that you only maybe have to pay back when you're earning money. It may be a de jure tuition fees system but it's actually a de facto graduate tax.

If they just phrased the whole thing more clearly people wouldn't be so put off.

What would be good though is making post-grad fees cheaper or allowing new student loans to cover them. Not everyone (in humanities at least) can get a grant, leaving further study to those who already have money.

Also, (and I know it's their main money spinner) but it's outrageous how much universities charge foreign students. I don't know how the crooks in university upper-management sleep at night.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15062 on: March 02, 2015, 10:21:59 pm »

What graduate schools require US citizenship?  Mine sure doesn't, nor did my best friends.  I've heard that Barkley graduate programs are a finish school for young Asian scions.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15063 on: March 02, 2015, 10:27:00 pm »

What graduate schools require US citizenship?  Mine sure doesn't, nor did my best friends.  I've heard that Barkley graduate programs are a finish school for young Asian scions.
He said that the scholarships require US Citizenship, not the school itself.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15064 on: March 02, 2015, 10:31:44 pm »

I think before we start introducing scholarships for international students we should work on making it so more domestic students can afford programs.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15065 on: March 03, 2015, 02:31:20 am »

Re: the whole Putin thing, if this was the first time that opposition figures were murdered, I could give him the benefit of the doubt. We still don't know who ordered the Politovskaya murder, or Litvinenko, or others I can remember now...
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15066 on: March 03, 2015, 04:11:52 am »

For that note, we still don't know who ordered Kennedy's murder.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15067 on: March 03, 2015, 04:23:46 am »

Boris Nemtsov. Anna Politkovskaya, Galina Starovoitova, Igor Domnikov, Iskandar Khatloni, Sergei Yushenkov, Yuri Shchekochikhin, Paul Klebnikov, Alexander Litvinenko, and this list doesn't include those that ended up in jails or died from suspicious incidents...

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15068 on: March 03, 2015, 04:59:49 am »

For that note, we still don't know who ordered Kennedy's murder.
And we do know who ordered the murder of Trotsky - you see why going back a few decades is kinda pointless?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15069 on: March 03, 2015, 06:35:36 am »

For that note, we still don't know who ordered Kennedy's murder.

Tu quoque fallacies are considered fallacious for a reason.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15070 on: March 03, 2015, 07:08:39 am »

wasnt kennedy like, the president?

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15071 on: March 03, 2015, 07:12:57 am »

I though he was a doughnut.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15072 on: March 03, 2015, 07:56:59 am »

Nemtsov's death made me sad... Murder itself is bad. Lack of any meaningful reaction in Russian society is even worse. Not that it is surprising... After all no one gives a shit about Russian soldiers(volunteers if you wish) killed in Ukraine.

I predict that we will see the same reaction will be when millions will go through GULAG 2.0 and\or when people will start to disappear 1930s style
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #15073 on: March 03, 2015, 08:03:34 am »

1930s style?
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