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[Bohandas]

Some lost hostages at the supermarket and one RAID wounded, crap. It would have been so much better to catch the suspects alive, they would have plenty of info

More importantly catching them alive would unravel their foolish dreams of martyrdom. There needs to be a concerted effort to take these would-be religious martyrs alive and throw them in prisons with excellent healthcare, excellent security, inhumane living conditions, and terrible food.

[Phmcw]

Some lost hostages at the supermarket and one RAID wounded, crap. It would have been so much better to catch the suspects alive, they would have plenty of info

More importantly catching them alive would unravel their foolish dreams of martyrdom. There needs to be a concerted effort to take these would-be religious martyrs alive and throw them in prisons with excellent healthcare, excellent security, inhumane living conditions, and terrible food.

Cruel and unusual punishement. No, ideally we need to convert them back or lock them up humanely. The efficient alternative isn't desirabe, and is worst than what you describe.

[Boltgun]

Some lost hostages at the supermarket and one RAID wounded, crap. It would have been so much better to catch the suspects alive, they would have plenty of info

More importantly catching them alive would unravel their foolish dreams of martyrdom. There needs to be a concerted effort to take these would-be religious martyrs alive and throw them in prisons with excellent healthcare, excellent security, inhumane living conditions, and terrible food.

The leader of the 1995 metro attack is in jail, and you should believe that french jails are terrible. (I do not approve bad jail conditions)

[Zangi]

Some lost hostages at the supermarket and one RAID wounded, crap. It would have been so much better to catch the suspects alive, they would have plenty of info

More importantly catching them alive would unravel their foolish dreams of martyrdom. There needs to be a concerted effort to take these would-be religious martyrs alive and throw them in prisons with excellent healthcare, excellent security, inhumane living conditions, and terrible food.

This is why we can't have nice things.
Guantanamo and Manning comes to mind.

[smeeprocket]

This is the most dangerous part of this situation, excluding the direct violence perpetrated against muslims after the attacks of extremists. (which will undoubtedly continue for some time.)

http://www.vice.com/read/far-right-france-philip-kleinfeld?utm_source=vicefbus

Incidentally, this is what Charlie Hebdo was about and why I am not Charlie.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

That is the boko haram sex slaves, children, shown as welfare queens.

No one should die for these cartoon. Fuck these cartoons. People reposting racist shit because of a tragedy makes me ill. Freedom of speech comes with responsibilities attached. Being offensive for the sake of being offensive, especially wehen you are "punching down" just reinforces the status quo.

I feel the same dread and fear I felt after 9/11. Things are going to get ugly in the developed world. They are going to get significantly more dangerous. And it isn't terrorist groups that are going to perpetrate this.

Incidentally, Boko Haram killed about 2000 people in Nigeria recently. In one attack. Why are there no hashtags when the people killed are brown?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria

Anyway, je suis Ahmed.

[TD1]

Incidentally, Boko Haram killed about 2000 people in Nigeria recently. In one attack. Why are there no hashtags when the people killed are brown?

Probably because the people effected either didn't want to or could not make a hashtag.
If you're suggesting people don't care when black people get hurt, look at America and the entire police brutality argument.

Edit: Oh, and you may also look at the huge amount of charities giving aid to foreign countries- many of which contain a black majority.

[smeeprocket]

Incidentally, Boko Haram killed about 2000 people in Nigeria recently. In one attack. Why are there no hashtags when the people killed are brown?

Probably because the people effected either didn't want to or could not make a hashtag.
If you're suggesting people don't care when black people get hurt, look at America and the entire police brutality argument.

Edit: Oh, and you may also look at the huge amount of charities giving aid to foreign countries- many of which contain a black majority.

Or the state that africa is in? or the effort put forth to annihilate boko haram, or the excellent treatment africans got for ebola, right on par with the europeans and americans, right?

The people that died at charlie hebdo couldn't make a hashtag either, other people did that for them.

Or the imperialist desolation that led to the need for those charities...

or the fact that no, white people in America mostly think the black people involved in the killings by the police were criminals. (we need only look at the divide in opinion on the matter, it runs racial lines.)

[MonkeyHead]

Don't rule out how disproportionately shocking things seem when they happen "on your doorstep" to "people like me", when that doorstep is a peaceful major European city and the people are good old white affluent males. People are conditioned to think that "bad things" happen in places like the middle east/Africa to people "not like me", and not in the western world itself.

[LordSlowpoke]

get off your high horse

i posted an article about boko haram razing a village a day after it happened (because, fyi, i actually keep up with this) and the fucks given were zero

you don't have much of an excuse because you posted in the thread before

[Dutchling]

It's Boko Haram. It has been a thing for a while now. Not sure why people suddenly care that other people don't. Shit happens in Syria too but nobody gives a fuck as long as it's not about ISIS or the Coalition.

Btw, did we get our girls back yet?

[MonkeyHead]

get off your high horse

i posted an article about boko haram razing a village a day after it happened (because, fyi, i actually keep up with this) and the fucks given were zero

you don't have much of an excuse because you posted in the thread before

Also, this is making waves on the BBC and is fucking shocking.

[TD1]

Or the state that africa is in? or the effort put forth to annihilate boko haram, or the excellent treatment africans got for ebola, right on par with the europeans and americans, right?

Hardly to do with the fact they're black. Africa is a separate country- they may be helped, but their governance is up to them, and not anyone else. We are not responsible for them.

The people that died at charlie hebdo couldn't make a hashtag either, other people did that for them.

Then the Nigerians are terrible people for not making a hashtag, hm?
The people killed in Paris are local. Not only this, it happened in a country where people are obsessed with making Hashtags.

Or the imperialist desolation that led to the need for those charities...

History, not current day. Judge the Germans on their current merit, not their past wars. Our current merit - we do have charities, and many of us are concerned.

As for white people in America, how do you know that they mostly think those blacks were criminals? That's a huge generalisation.

[smeeprocket]

get off your high horse

i posted an article about boko haram razing a village a day after it happened (because, fyi, i actually keep up with this) and the fucks given were zero

you don't have much of an excuse because you posted in the thread before

High horse of concern? Sorry if you felt I was attacking you personally, or even really anyone on this board. I mean in general. Social media, the media at large.

I am not calculating you in the equation because you are not a media outlet, nor do you, afaik, have a social media account that if followed by a massive amount of people. Nor could you by yourself, even if you created a hashtag, start a movement.

[Dutchling]

Africa is a separate country

:S

[TD1]

Africa is a separate country

:S

Eh, you know what I meant