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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11280 on: September 24, 2014, 03:58:26 pm »

That explains it.

When is he expected to sign it?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11281 on: September 25, 2014, 12:26:01 am »

It really annoys me to no end that as soon as an autocrats shout "Bad capitalists, bad fascists!" he automatically get support from large section of the European left, no matter what he actually did. It's like some sort of switch in their brain that turns it off if someone pronounce a keyword. Then they fall for pitiful tricks that shouldn't fool a 6 years old like that picture of Poroshenko "doing a Nazi salute in the US congress" which is just a picture of him waving.

Like, seriously?

Oh, and then there are those that assume Putin's good because he must be good because he oppose the US, and the US is obviously the source of all Evil. There is plenty I hate about US and US foreign policy, but is the concept that someone can hate an asshole and still be a bigger asshole THAT hard to grab?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11282 on: September 25, 2014, 01:01:12 am »

an asshole calling an asshole an asshole is an asshole, but an asshole who can tell an asshole from not an asshole, therefore said asshole might not be such an asshole as the asshole being spoken of? fuck if i know
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« Reply #11283 on: September 25, 2014, 04:44:11 am »

I think that's because a large section of the European left are not really reasonable people and they don't think that Putin is bad and don't understand why they should think Putin is bad. Oh well in hindsight that sounds a bit trollish so disregard that but really it's so irritating to hear smth like "Scottish PM Salmond supported Putin's policy" or whatever. Here in Russia news like that are always exaggerated and run over and over again by all media. It's beyond my understanding that some folks in Europe find words of praise for him.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11284 on: September 25, 2014, 04:56:02 am »

It really annoys me to no end that as soon as an autocrats shout "Bad capitalists, bad fascists!" he automatically get support from large section of the European left, no matter what he actually did. It's like some sort of switch in their brain that turns it off if someone pronounce a keyword. Then they fall for pitiful tricks that shouldn't fool a 6 years old like that picture of Poroshenko "doing a Nazi salute in the US congress" which is just a picture of him waving.

Like, seriously?

Oh, and then there are those that assume Putin's good because he must be good because he oppose the US, and the US is obviously the source of all Evil. There is plenty I hate about US and US foreign policy, but is the concept that someone can hate an asshole and still be a bigger asshole THAT hard to grab?

That's a proud tradition of Russian rulers, Sheb.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11285 on: September 25, 2014, 05:17:46 am »

Russian tradition make Putin asshole? I thought that was Greek tradition
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11286 on: September 25, 2014, 06:08:05 am »

It really annoys me to no end that as soon as an autocrats shout "Bad capitalists, bad fascists!" he automatically get support from large section of the European left, no matter what he actually did. It's like some sort of switch in their brain that turns it off if someone pronounce a keyword. Then they fall for pitiful tricks that shouldn't fool a 6 years old like that picture of Poroshenko "doing a Nazi salute in the US congress" which is just a picture of him waving.

Like, seriously?

Oh, and then there are those that assume Putin's good because he must be good because he oppose the US, and the US is obviously the source of all Evil. There is plenty I hate about US and US foreign policy, but is the concept that someone can hate an asshole and still be a bigger asshole THAT hard to grab?

No. Just no. Since I have no idea what brought this on, but I do need to point out that even if someone agrees with Putin about his criticism of whatever (no matter how hypocritical that might be coming from him) that does not mean they "support" him. Don't forget that Putin's main supporters in Europe are the conservative right, after all. They're the ones who's been buddying up to him ever since the Maidan protests started.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11287 on: September 25, 2014, 07:31:31 am »

Ain't it fascinating that people on the Maidan would consider themselves conservative right? And that actually almost anybody who I know who considers themselves conservative OR right (in the political sense) is opposed to Putin. Granted, I don't really know many people in their sound mind who are not opposed to Putin (mind you, there is no small amount of people in Polish media who are clearly not in their sound mind, for example).
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11288 on: September 25, 2014, 07:54:00 am »

That explains it.

When is he expected to sign it?
He has 15 more days

I think there are rather high chance that he'll veto it as not good enough

Ain't it fascinating that people on the Maidan would consider themselves conservative right? And that actually almost anybody who I know who considers themselves conservative OR right (in the political sense) is opposed to Putin. Granted, I don't really know many people in their sound mind who are not opposed to Putin (mind you, there is no small amount of people in Polish media who are clearly not in their sound mind, for example).
Problem is that Eastern European (far-)rights and Western European (far-)rights have different goals and ideology
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11289 on: September 25, 2014, 08:20:52 am »

It really annoys me to no end that as soon as an autocrats shout "Bad capitalists, bad fascists!" he automatically get support from large section of the European left, no matter what he actually did. It's like some sort of switch in their brain that turns it off if someone pronounce a keyword. Then they fall for pitiful tricks that shouldn't fool a 6 years old like that picture of Poroshenko "doing a Nazi salute in the US congress" which is just a picture of him waving.

Like, seriously?

Oh, and then there are those that assume Putin's good because he must be good because he oppose the US, and the US is obviously the source of all Evil. There is plenty I hate about US and US foreign policy, but is the concept that someone can hate an asshole and still be a bigger asshole THAT hard to grab?

No. Just no. Since I have no idea what brought this on, but I do need to point out that even if someone agrees with Putin about his criticism of whatever (no matter how hypocritical that might be coming from him) that does not mean they "support" him. Don't forget that Putin's main supporters in Europe are the conservative right, after all. They're the ones who's been buddying up to him ever since the Maidan protests started.
Dude, your second sentence is a strawman - he was talking not about everyone who X, but about many people who X. And he's right about them, it's the same in Germany: The far left and far right (not only extremists, but people in parliament too) love Putin because he's a) a strongman, b) an opponent of the US (gee, I wonder why some people in the West support Hamas and Assad as well...) and c) a great screen to project communist nostalgia onto (this applies mostly to the leftists, of course).
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11290 on: September 25, 2014, 08:40:12 am »

https://www.europol.europa.eu/content/operation-archimedes

Whooohooo. Apparently Europol is doing some good job. I very happy about this because organized crime is a pretty big threath to democracy.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11291 on: September 25, 2014, 08:50:51 am »

https://www.europol.europa.eu/content/operation-archimedes

Whooohooo. Apparently Europol is doing some good job. I very happy about this because organized crime is a pretty big threat to humanity.
FTFY.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11292 on: September 25, 2014, 08:53:12 am »

Yeah, there's organized crime in Russia too you know :P
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11293 on: September 25, 2014, 08:58:14 am »

Yeah, and I guess I focus on the leftists because a) I know many more leftists than rightists and b) I kinda expect far-right persons to be wrong anyway, that's why I'm a leftist. :p
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #11294 on: September 25, 2014, 09:00:23 am »

Unfortunately, many on the left fall for the same seductive lure that claims the right: all-encompassing and unquestionably dogmatic social theory. It's halfway to being a religion.
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