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[Sergarr]

I doubt there will be an outright invasion of baltic states.

We might, however, see attempts at inciting a Russia-supported rebellion in some parts of their countries where the percentage of Russian-speaking people is the most high.

[nanomage]

I doubt there will be an outright invasion of baltic states.

We might, however, see attempts at inciting a Russia-supported rebellion in some parts of their countries where the percentage of Russian-speaking people is the most high.

nope that won't happen either. first baltic states watch their russian border I believe and can make sure no weapons or potential organizers come from Russia. Much unlike Ukraine, where all kinds of military or paramilitary forces were totally wrecked and likely infiltrated by russia. Second putin has no reason to attack them. He had that reason with ukraine and it wasn't concerns over russian-speaking populace or plans to revive the russian empire, it was his firm belief that it was USA staged a coup in ukraine to encroach upon his geopolitical ground. That's how euromaidan events are portrayed here in the news and that's likely the image in his mind. So, in Putin's head, he's not the agressor, he's retaliating against US agression and defending his sphere of interest in Ukraine, same as it was in Georgia.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Putin's goal is to recreate USSR. Assuming anything else is an illusion

What can you expect from a guy who said that dissolution of USSR is the worst catastrophe of 20th century?

[LordSlowpoke]

What can you expect from a guy who said that dissolution of USSR is the worst catastrophe of 20th century?

consider trying to name one thing that was worse for russians than the dissolution

or soviets, as you prefer to call them

it does make sense in context y'know

[martinuzz]

Putin's goal is to recreate USSR. Assuming anything else is an illusion

What can you expect from a guy who said that dissolution of USSR is the worst catastrophe of 20th century?

That, or he is a CIA agent recruited to completely devastate the Russian economy in the long run.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

consider trying to name one thing that was worse for russians than the dissolution

or soviets, as you prefer to call them

it does make sense in context y'know

For Russians? In 20th century? Civil war, 1930s repressions, WW2

But you are right, for Soviets there are nothing more important than maintaining and  expanding the Empire. So losing territory is the worst event

[Sergarr]

What can you expect from a guy who said that dissolution of USSR is the worst catastrophe of 20th century?

consider trying to name one thing that was worse for russians than the dissolution

or soviets, as you prefer to call them

it does make sense in context y'know

WW2 was worse. Civil war, too.

[misko27]

Long term, the revolutions that put the Bolsheviks in power certainly excluded any peace for Russia.

[mainiac]

Long term, the revolutions that put the Bolsheviks in power certainly excluded any peace for Russia.

I'd put that point a little later when Stalin took control.  Sure Lenin was no saint but no one emerges from a revolution like that with their hands clean.  It's when the power slipped away from Lenin to Stalin that things got really ugly.  If Lenin had lived another 20 years I think the Soviets would have been a more open society and been on better terms with the Poles and French.  In those circumstances, it's much easier to see German ultra-nationalism contained by disparity of military power and no iron curtain or cold war.

[Sergarr]

Long term, the revolutions that put the Bolsheviks in power certainly excluded any peace for Russia.

I'd put that point a little later when Stalin took control.  Sure Lenin was no saint but no one emerges from a revolution like that with their hands clean.  It's when the power slipped away from Lenin to Stalin that things got really ugly.  If Lenin had lived another 20 years I think the Soviets would have been a more open society and been on better terms with the Poles and French.  In those circumstances, it's much easier to see German ultra-nationalism contained by disparity of military power and no iron curtain or cold war.

What.

Lenin wanted to incite a world-wide revolution. A total upheaval of every society on Earth. The Lenin didn't plan on making a communism in a single country, like Stalin did. He wanted a world-wide-revolution! That means he would have used all resources in Russia to fund and man revolts all other the world!

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War notice the dates here and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
1920 for war and 1922 for Lenin dying. So war with Poland was under Lenin's rule. I doubt Poles would be friendly with a leader of a country who has just tried to re-conquer them with military force.

[scrdest]

Plus, Lenin might or might not have had syphilis which... not a good thing for human brain.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

now Russia abducts EU citizens

How deep the concern will be?

[mainiac]

Lenin wanted to incite a world-wide revolution. A total upheaval of every society on Earth. The Lenin didn't plan on making a communism in a single country, like Stalin did. He wanted a world-wide-revolution! That means he would have used all resources in Russia to fund and man revolts all other the world!

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War notice the dates here and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
1920 for war and 1922 for Lenin dying. So war with Poland was under Lenin's rule. I doubt Poles would be friendly with a leader of a country who has just tried to re-conquer them with military force.

That was fresh on the heels of the soviet civil war.  This was a war over land that very, very recently had been part of the Russian state.  Lenin was a man of bloody times.  Stalin was a man who created bloody times.

And it's not like the Poles would particularly need to like the Soviets for Hitler to be checked.  They just need for the Russians to pragmatically avoid helping the Germans.  Stalin was very... unusual for striking a deal with Hitler.  If not for the Soviet alliance with the Germans it's pretty doubtful that Germany would have been willing to take on France and England and Poland alone.

And Lenin died in 1924 not 1922.

[Sergarr]

Lenin wanted to incite a world-wide revolution. A total upheaval of every society on Earth. The Lenin didn't plan on making a communism in a single country, like Stalin did. He wanted a world-wide-revolution! That means he would have used all resources in Russia to fund and man revolts all other the world!

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War notice the dates here and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
1920 for war and 1922 for Lenin dying. So war with Poland was under Lenin's rule. I doubt Poles would be friendly with a leader of a country who has just tried to re-conquer them with military force.

That was fresh on the heels of the soviet civil war.  This was a war over land that very, very recently had been part of the Russian state.  Lenin was a man of bloody times.  Stalin was a man who created bloody times.

And it's not like the Poles would particularly need to like the Soviets for Hitler to be checked.  They just need for the Russians to pragmatically avoid helping the Germans.  Stalin was very... unusual for striking a deal with Hitler.  If not for the Soviet alliance with the Germans it's pretty doubtful that Germany would have been willing to take on France and England and Poland alone.

And Lenin died in 1924 not 1922.

Isn't it the common knowledge that Churchill wanted to strengthen Germany (hence the Munich deal and the Phoney War), so that it will fight the Communists? Hitler would have attacked Poland anyway, since he was at that moment sure that UK would not intervene.

Also, Polish history of animosity with Russian people is very, very long (at least since 1612). I doubt they would suddenly forgot all of it.

Also, Lenin did die in 1924 but, if you've read the article, it says that he in 1923 has suffered a stroke that left him bed-ridden until his death.

[andrea]

Not just churchill... many in the west were very afraid of the communist revolution spreading. Fascism seemed the lesser evil, at the time.