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[Naryar]

The elven sorcerer can outdo you in crafting of magic weapons and armor.
By a mile.
By thousand miles.
Since you are skill starving, I wouldn't spend skill points on them, even though you have magic weapons and armor fetishes.

...Fine.

So I'll be mainly focusing on spellcraft, perception, sense motive, knowledge (religion) and knowledge (history) then.

[Alouette]

I wouldn't drop healing just yet, not sure how great I'll be at healing and another set of hands on lay on can't hurt. I can promise none of you will bleed out short of losing a limb though. Focusing on healing, but going to try and be as utility as I can so I can be loved instead of resented =3 Though unless you specifically want me to be something drastic, building this one as a character more then a doom machine with god on her side, as clerics tend to become.

[DoomOnion]

I wouldn't drop healing just yet, not sure how great I'll be at healing and another set of hands on lay on can't hurt. I can promise none of you will bleed out short of losing a limb though. Focusing on healing, but going to try and be as utility as I can so I can be loved instead of resented =3 Though unless you specifically want me to be something drastic, building this one as a character more then a doom machine with god on her side, as clerics tend to become.

We... already have a doom machine. I think.
Between the bloodthirsty cries of two battle clerics, my character would probably end up losing it and go nuts.
So no more doom machine.

[Naryar]

I wouldn't drop healing just yet, not sure how great I'll be at healing and another set of hands on lay on can't hurt. I can promise none of you will bleed out short of losing a limb though. Focusing on healing, but going to try and be as utility as I can so I can be loved instead of resented =3 Though unless you specifically want me to be something drastic, building this one as a character more then a doom machine with god on her side, as clerics tend to become.

I don't intend to give up on healing, just on the Heal skill. Which is arguably not that useful considering that I can already auto swap my spells for cure spells, and also channel positive energy. I figured that as a dedicated healer you'll do better by having it.

I'll just be the secondary healer and focus more on buffing and charging enemies.

What god, domains and/or subdomains do you have ?

[Baneling]

The elven sorcerer can outdo you in crafting of magic weapons and armor.
By a mile.
By thousand miles.
Since you are skill starving, I wouldn't spend skill points on them, even though you have magic weapons and armor fetishes.

Sorcerers can't craft magic weapons and armour for shit...

They get a maximum of 6 spells of each level no matter what, unless pathfinder archetypes do silliness allowing otherwise.

They're better than a non-caster or a class with access to like six spells or something, but they're not very good at it at all.

[Girlinhat]

Crafting magic items can add a +5 DC to crafting for every prerequisite they do not meet.

Not to mention that items like +2 Dex and +1 Longsword require no spells, and anyone with magic can create them.

[DoomOnion]

The elven sorcerer can outdo you in crafting of magic weapons and armor.
By a mile.
By thousand miles.
Since you are skill starving, I wouldn't spend skill points on them, even though you have magic weapons and armor fetishes.

Sorcerers can't craft magic weapons and armour for shit...

They get a maximum of 6 spells of each level no matter what, unless pathfinder archetypes do silliness allowing otherwise.

They're better than a non-caster or a class with access to like six spells or something, but they're not very good at it at all.

Sage type elven sorcerer. Crap load of intelligence.
Literally, +5 at level 1.
So she'll be better at crafting magical stuff then Lek can ever be.

Also, I am feeling very uncomfortable about non-players telling players do this and do that for min maxing.

[Naryar]

The elven sorcerer can outdo you in crafting of magic weapons and armor.
By a mile.
By thousand miles.
Since you are skill starving, I wouldn't spend skill points on them, even though you have magic weapons and armor fetishes.

Sorcerers can't craft magic weapons and armour for shit...

They get a maximum of 6 spells of each level no matter what, unless pathfinder archetypes do silliness allowing otherwise.

They're better than a non-caster or a class with access to like six spells or something, but they're not very good at it at all.

Sage type elven sorcerer. Crap load of intelligence.
Literally, +5 at level 1.
So she'll be better at crafting magical stuff then Lek can ever be.

Also, I am feeling very uncomfortable about non-players telling players do this and do that for min maxing.

She'll be better at crafting, but have you seen her list of spells known and mine ?

Not to mention that items like +2 Dex and +1 Longsword require no spells, and anyone with magic can create them.

+2 dex item requires cat's grace IIRC.

[DoomOnion]

...I never said 'hurr durr she is stronger than you hurr durr'. Why does this thread always end up being a ground for comparing who's the better min-maxer?

[Naryar]

...I never said 'hurr durr she is stronger than you hurr durr'. Why does this thread always end up being a ground for comparing who's the better min-maxer?

You claimed she was better at me at crafting magical items. It's not even about minmaxing. Minmaxing is putting 3 Charisma in a character.

Sure she does have much more spellcraft, but the problem is the sorcerer's very restricted spell list, as Baneling pointed out.

[DoomOnion]

What exactly is the agenda? Come on, do you want us to praise your character for being able to do absolutely everything?

I'm not exactly minmaxing. Go to paizo forums and ask the community if a Cavalier with 16 charisma and order of blue rose is a min maxed combat oriented character, and they will laugh their asses off.

We always end up derailing this thread between you and me, and I'd like it to just stop.

[Girlinhat]

DoomOnion you're becoming increasingly argumentative as this thread goes on.  Maybe everyone should start posting their tone of voice so you can be sure no one's being condescending?

[DoomOnion]

So the server is dowwwwn. Stupid R20.
Should we wait?

[Leatra]

Yeah, I can't join either. I was busy adding the stuff I bought to my character sheet anyway. I hope it gets back on quick

It's back on.

[DoomOnion]

Server back up.