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Ted Cruz

7 (6.5%)

Rick Santorum

16 (14.8%)

Michelle Bachmann

13 (12%)

Chris Christie

23 (21.3%)

Rand Paul

49 (45.4%)

Total Members Voted: 107

[smjjames]

'Jeb Bush is exploring the possibility of a 2016 presidential run'

Um..... no thanks, we don't need the third republican president in a row to be of the same family, give others a chance! *gives Jeb Bush the boot*

I have a feeling that the republican field will be as crowded as it was the last two times anyways.

[Frumple]

Don't worry, we have plenty of reasons beyond dynasty building to object to jeb running anything. There was this whole florida governorship thing that gave bucketfulls of reasons why the bugger shouldn't run anything more complex than a broken model train.

Did I mention the country's educational facilities spontaneously self-immolating? Pretty sure I did. That's one of them.

Remember: A vote for Jeb is a vote for your children dying in a fire. Don't have kids? That's okay! He's so terrible he'll cause you to retroactively autoimpregnate and enroll your unholy progeny in school.

[smjjames]

Yeah, having both father and son (one of his sons anyway) be president isn't without precedent since theres at least one example, the Adamses, and no I'm not talking about Toady One and Three Toe.

If only the third (and fourth and fifth and so on) parties were actually able to make it in our political system, that'd be great.

[Helgoland]

You know, I would've expected that after Father and Son the Unholy Bush Spirit would take office.

[smjjames]

You know, I would've expected that after Father and Son the Unholy Bush Spirit would take office.

Lol, good one.

[FearfulJesuit]

You know, I would've expected that after Father and Son the Unholy Bush Spirit would take office.

Hey, there's always room for President Cheney.

[Angle]

You know, I would've expected that after Father and Son the Unholy Bush Spirit would take office.

Hey, there's always room for President Cheney.

*recoils in horror*

[smjjames]

You know, I would've expected that after Father and Son the Unholy Bush Spirit would take office.

Hey, there's always room for President Cheney.

Cheney is a walking catastrophic heart attack waiting to happen though, voting for Cheney would be the same as voting his VP for president.

[Bauglir]

Remember, a vote for Vermin Supreme is a vote wasted.

[Twi]

B-but that was two years ago!

[smjjames]

Remember, a vote for Vermin Supreme is a vote wasted.

Or that 'THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!' guy with the cool beard style several election cycles back.

Really though, it would be great if serious third party candidates actually had a chance, that way a vote for a third party candidate (whether they're a serious candidate or not) won't be a throwaway vote.

[Angle]

You know, I would've expected that after Father and Son the Unholy Bush Spirit would take office.

Hey, there's always room for President Cheney.

Cheney is a walking catastrophic heart attack waiting to happen though, voting for Cheney would be the same as voting his VP for president.

That already happened. Now he has an artificial heart with no beat, which is oddly fitting.

[misko27]

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Sorry for my late answer, I only saw your post now. You'll find Nixon's order (the one that matter) here.

First, let me add that this plan isn't especially complicated or clever : the USSR was the number one oil producer at the time, and it was producing so much to pay its bills. Both fact were not hard to find, and it's rather logical that cutting its revenue would cause a lot of trouble.

This unsettles me as OPEC, which Saudi Arabia was a part of, actually increased prices for some time, which makes me question how much control the US had over them

My hypotethis doesn't require a lot of control. None in fact : the communists were threathening the very fundation of the Saudi, Quatari... power, and I cannot imagine that they (the Saudi) took the fall of the Sha of Iran lightly. They needed an answer and they needed it quickly.

That's more then you cite, because you don't cite.

I don't cite because I have nothing to cite. I noticed that the USSR felt mostly because of the fall of crude oil price, and most importantly now that we need Russia weakened again, the oil prices fall again. I dug a bit, saw that it was mostly the US allie's doing and that they were supported and protected no matter what ever since. I then came to the conclusion that it was probably deliberate, since it was easy to plan and easy to implement.

I can easilly imagine any think thank coming up with that plan. It may have been an accident, but I don't think so.

Easy to plan and implement is not the standard by which we prove that something actually happened, it's how we prove it could have happened. How would you know that it would even occur to the US to use Oil prices? Look, have you ever wondered why bicycles originally had extremely unequal wheel sizes, instead of the obviously more reasonable way we have them now? Because hindsight is 20-20. Your only proof is based on truthiness: on the fact that it feels right. Please, I am not so smart, I must have things explained out to me. Let us just say that I don't see your point. I'm simply not smart enough to understand you. Could you, for my benefit, explain why you are probably right?

Remember, a vote for Vermin Supreme is a vote wasted.

Or that 'THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!' guy with the cool beard style several election cycles back.

Really though, it would be great if serious third party candidates actually had a chance, that way a vote for a third party candidate (whether they're a serious candidate or not) won't be a throwaway vote.

Why would a third party vote matter? I mean think about it: you'd still have to vote for someone who has the resources and broad popularity to actually win, or by damn you will always be throwing your vote away, just for a new name.


I've been thinking more about this whole three-party thing, and honestly I don't see that three parties is inherently better in any way. America went through its best and worst times with two serious parties (except the civil war, they had more parties; Great time for america too), and I don't see how jamming some other one would fix anything; that is to say, I doubt some magical surge in the Constitution or Green parties, or some great split in the Democratic or Republican parties, would somehow fix America, the political system, the world, and/or anything. Convince me Bay12.

[Helgoland]

It's not the absence of a third party, it's the fact that the system prevents third parties from rising. Just look at Europe if you want to see a couple of alternatives.

[SalmonGod]

I've been thinking more about this whole three-party thing, and honestly I don't see that three parties is inherently better in any way. America went through its best and worst times with two serious parties (except the civil war, they had more parties; Great time for america too), and I don't see how jamming some other one would fix anything; that is to say, I doubt some magical surge in the Constitution or Green parties, or some great split in the Democratic or Republican parties, would somehow fix America, the political system, the world, and/or anything. Convince me Bay12.

Because they wouldn't be establishment Democrat or Republican.  People want an alternative to the two major parties, because they're fed up with the horrible things that both Democrats and Republicans mutually support (surveillance/police state/environmental destruction/class warfare).  The vast majority of people that I ever talk to about politics only vote for the major parties because each side gets the other so emotional and fear-stricken over social issues. 

Edit:
Ok, there's also a major divide over pure capitalism vs public safety net, but even when conservative/liberal may agree with their respective party's economic stances in principle, in my experience it's still widely acknowledged that we're being sold out by both sides regardless of the principles they preach.