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Ted Cruz

7 (6.5%)

Rick Santorum

16 (14.8%)

Michelle Bachmann

13 (12%)

Chris Christie

23 (21.3%)

Rand Paul

49 (45.4%)

Total Members Voted: 107

[Lord Shonus]

Earlier in the year, the court also tried to pass a bill that would let businesses refuse services on religious grounds. The governor's response:

That would be pretty surprising, since passing bills is the responsibility of the legislature. (What I was referring to was Arizona joining the many states where their same-sex marriage ban was ruled illegal.)

[Sheb]

Isn't ALEC a right-wing, conservative think-tanks? Funny how even them are appalled by Arizona.

[Helgoland]

* LordSlowpoke kicks door in

heard you were talking shit

LSP, the subject is about criminal trials, not civil. Which, yeah, both judge and no trials in that case is kinda' fucking bad. Doubly so considering this is the states and being an ex-con completely screws you basically forever.

Care to explain why you think judge trials are a good thing, or are you more concerned with being as quirky as possible?

Okay, two pages late, but: Read the fucking, link, guys. Unless you are claiming that the judicial system of practically all of Europe is fundamentally perverted - which is pretty fucking arrogant - I suggest you inform yourself on judge trials before just declaring them plain evil, because they're precisely not a judge making rulings on an arbitrary basis without any checks to make sure he follows the law.
I'd rather see an argument for why life-and-death decisions (after all, America is a member of that elite club still doing executions, among other members such as China, Iran, and North Korea) should be handed over to a group of randomly selected plebejans with no judicial or philosophical education.


Sorry for the ranty bits, but that was US-centrism at its worst. And that's not a good thing, especially in the US politics thread.

[LordSlowpoke]

dude chill

i gave up at the point where they didn't even bother with the italics at the start of the article

just dismiss it as 'murica and carry on

[Helgoland]

just dismiss it as 'murica and carry on

Nah, I have the problem of actually liking the country. It makes for some very awkward debates about drone strikes and so on, in which I have to defend the US as a nation but at the same time have to condemn the actual issue at hand...

[Sheb]

How is that awkward? You're German, condemning specific actions of a country while still liking it overall shouldn't be a problem for you.

[Helgoland]

But it's the US! Germans still haven't forgiven the US for WWII, just like we're still subconciously mad at the Jews for the Holocaust. Plus we don't like ourselves either. Beneath the surface, we are one messed-up people.

That's why I like Heine: He's evidence that there's an alternative to this passive-agressive self-loathing that's come to define us as a nation.

[scriver]

* LordSlowpoke kicks door in

heard you were talking shit

LSP, the subject is about criminal trials, not civil. Which, yeah, both judge and no trials in that case is kinda' fucking bad. Doubly so considering this is the states and being an ex-con completely screws you basically forever.

Care to explain why you think judge trials are a good thing, or are you more concerned with being as quirky as possible?

Okay, two pages late, but: Read the fucking, link, guys. Unless you are claiming that the judicial system of practically all of Europe is fundamentally perverted - which is pretty fucking arrogant - I suggest you inform yourself on judge trials before just declaring them plain evil, because they're precisely not a judge making rulings on an arbitrary basis without any checks to make sure he follows the law.

Yes, how dare they say anything Europe does is bad. Clearly they are the ones who are arrogant here!

[Sheb]

Well, if they don't substantiate it, yeah. Dawkins had a nice essay of the issue with Juries in the Devil's Chaplain.

[scriver]

That's still not arrogance, and the arrogant behaviour is still 100% coming from Helgoland.

[smjjames]

But it's the US! Germans still haven't forgiven the US for WWII, just like we're still subconciously mad at the Jews for the Holocaust. Plus we don't like ourselves either. Beneath the surface, we are one messed-up people.

That's why I like Heine: He's evidence that there's an alternative to this passive-agressive self-loathing that's come to define us as a nation.

I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not, and the US didn't start WWII.

[Darvi]

That's still not arrogance, and the arrogant behaviour is still 100% coming from Helgoland.

He was, however, still lambasting them for dismissing something they didn't even bother to read on even though they were provided a wiki article to it. YMMV if that's arrogance, but YMMalsoV about Helgo being either arrogant or really pissed off. Personally, I find your own indignance to be arrogant.

I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not, and the US didn't start WWII.

>Statement blaming jews for holocaust
>Can't tell if snark

Well, I guess this is the internet, where the phrase "Hitler did nothing wrong" was coined...

[Sergarr]

* LordSlowpoke kicks door in

heard you were talking shit

LSP, the subject is about criminal trials, not civil. Which, yeah, both judge and no trials in that case is kinda' fucking bad. Doubly so considering this is the states and being an ex-con completely screws you basically forever.

Care to explain why you think judge trials are a good thing, or are you more concerned with being as quirky as possible?

Okay, two pages late, but: Read the fucking, link, guys. Unless you are claiming that the judicial system of practically all of Europe is fundamentally perverted - which is pretty fucking arrogant - I suggest you inform yourself on judge trials before just declaring them plain evil, because they're precisely not a judge making rulings on an arbitrary basis without any checks to make sure he follows the law.

Yes, how dare they say anything Europe does is bad. Clearly they are the ones who are arrogant here!

US has the highest incarceration rate. Clearly this means that US citizens are on average more criminal than the citizens in all other countries, because the US juridical system is flawless, and jury would never send a non-guilty man to prison.

[10ebbor10]

It could also mean that since the EU system is flawed, criminals are released to often.

[Frumple]

The US incarceration rate has very little to do with wrongful imprisonment and practically ruddy everything to do with with shitpoor legislation.