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Total Members Voted: 107

[Helgoland]

68% of US supports euthanasia.

Kinda misleading - it's about assissted suicide, not forced sterilization.

[Descan]

68% of US supports euthanasia.

Kinda misleading - it's about assissted suicide, not forced sterilization.

... That's what euthanasia means...?

[RedKing]

68% of US supports euthanasia.

Kinda misleading - it's about assissted suicide, not forced sterilization.

I think you're confusing euthanasia and eugenics.

[Frumple]

And even eugenics involves... considerably more than that, though. Closest to forced sterilization I could think of hearing about would be chemical castration, here in the states, and I have no idea what public opinion on that is.

[Helgoland]

68% of US supports euthanasia.

Kinda misleading - it's about assissted suicide, not forced sterilization.

I think you're confusing euthanasia and eugenics.

Maybe partially, but the word 'euthanasia' is commonly associated with Nazi Germany's Aktion T4. The two are related, though.

[RedKing]

68% of US supports euthanasia.

Kinda misleading - it's about assissted suicide, not forced sterilization.

I think you're confusing euthanasia and eugenics.

Maybe partially, but the word 'euthanasia' is commonly associated with Nazi Germany's Aktion T4. The two are related, though.

Ok, but that was still euthanasia in service of eugenics. Nothing about forced sterilization there.

[GlyphGryph]

That still has... nothing to do with sterilization. Even the bit you linked even says that although they used the language of euthanasia, that's not what they were actually doing. And what they were doing wasn't sterilization either.

The two aren't any more related than any other two random things, and it's okay to admit you didn't know what a word meant...

[Helgoland]

Dude, I admit I got confused (forced sterilization was indeed part of the eugenics programs), but at least in Germany talking about 'euthanasia' triggers all sorts of Nazi alarms. Maybe the usage is different in English-speaking countries, but the wording struck me as very odd anyway.

[GlyphGryph]

Literally the only thing that euthenasia has to do with the Nazis is that they used the term for something that was clearly not euthanasia i.e. execution. Nazi's had about as much to do with euthanasia as they did with socialism - maybe in the broadest sense, but that's a pretty broad sense.

[XXSockXX]

Yeah, it's just that Nazi-eugenics are often brought up in German debates about euthanasia. It's a controversial debate (at least in politics, the population is much more relaxed about it), so people try to stir up emotions and nothing is as good for that as Nazi associations.

[GlyphGryph]

Dude, I admit I got confused

Where? Because as far as I can tell, no. No you did not.

You said:

Maybe partially, but the word 'euthanasia' is commonly associated with Nazi Germany's Aktion T4. The two are related, though.

Nothing in there is an admission of confusion. I do see what looks like an attempt to argue you were at least partially right, which is nonsense. And then you combine it by re-affirming the two are related. Euthanasia has nothing particular to do with sterilization.

[Sirus]

Dude, I admit I got confused

Where? Because as far as I can tell, no. No you did not.

lern2tense plz. If he said that he had admitted he got confused, then that would be wrong because he didn't. He was admitting right there in that post that he got confused.

[XXSockXX]

Yeah, relax. If you google the German word "Euthanasie", the first results page is about Nazi crimes only (not euthanasia, but T4, racial hygiene, euthanasia of disabled children etc). The more commonly used word "Sterbehilfe" brings up the regular euthanasia debates.

[Culise]

Dude, I admit I got confused

Where? Because as far as I can tell, no. No you did not.

lern2tense plz. If he said that he had admitted he got confused, then that would be wrong because he didn't. He was admitting right there in that post that he got confused.

This whole discussion seems to be getting a bit too tense.  Let's not bicker and argue about who euthanized who. 

[Helgoland]

Spoiler: Spoilered for excessive passive-aggressiveness, because I got pretty pissed. I probably shouldn't post this, but what the heck. (click to show/hide)

Dude, I admit I got confused

Where? Because as far as I can tell, no. No you did not.

Right there. That's the admission. It's literally in that quote.

Maybe partially, but the word 'euthanasia' is commonly associated with Nazi Germany's Aktion T4. The two are related, though.

Nothing in there is an admission of confusion.

It wasn't intended to be.

I do see what looks like an attempt to argue you were at least partially right, which is nonsense.

It's an attempt to explain why I got confused - the friggin usage appears to be different in my native language. 'Partially right' depends on the frame of reference. For all intents and purposes I was wrong though, because the frame of reference here is the US one.

Euthanasia has nothing particular to do with sterilization.

Yeeeah, you'll see that I agreed on that point to your post before you even posted it. In a post you then went on to quote.

But if it makes you feel any better, yes, I used  the wrong word, yes, I'm dumb, yes, I won't admit defeat, I humbly prostrate myself before you and humbly beg for forgiveness. Happy now?

EDIT: That's the worst part! We're not even arguing about euthanasia, or even the correct usage of the word!