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Ted Cruz

7 (6.5%)

Rick Santorum

16 (14.8%)

Michelle Bachmann

13 (12%)

Chris Christie

23 (21.3%)

Rand Paul

49 (45.4%)

Total Members Voted: 107

[mainiac]

I remember when I was out in Oregon and someone asked where I was from. When I said North Carolina, their response was "I'm sorry." I just kinda stared at the guy for a minute and then moved on to talking to someone else. (and no, I don't think he meant this in reference to our current state government)

Don't worry, my fellow mid-Atlanticer, we can form our own region with blackjack and hookers!  Just please please please dont tell Georgia what we're doing.  They scare us.

[RedKing]

Sorry, Maryland isn't eligible for the Democratic People's Republic of Carolina. We may be able to work out some kind of guest worker visa for the hookers though.

[Frumple]

Being a Southern progressive has long been the shittiest political position in the country. Because you get vilified from both sides.

I remember when I was out in Oregon and someone asked where I was from. When I said North Carolina, their response was "I'm sorry." I just kinda stared at the guy for a minute and then moved on to talking to someone else. (and no, I don't think he meant this in reference to our current state government)

Yeah, NC's fairly alright. It even has mountains. And seasons. And I think industry that's not primarily tourism or agriculture based? Not nearly as much to offer condolences for, there. Do vaguely remember some demographic issues in certain areas, and the attendant problems, but outside of y'all's government you've got some pretty nice places. Have visited a couple, heh.

Like. No candle on north florida, or swaths of the rest of the local tri-state region.

[RedKing]

We have mountains *and* beaches. And a diverse agricultural sector. And strong financial, biotech and IT industries. And a world-class university system. And a reasonable cost of living. And we're frequently voted one of the top places to live in the US. We're also historically one of the most progressive of the Southern states, the vanguard of the New South.

So when some latte-drinking dick decides to crack wise about my home state, I don't take it well.

Yeah, we've got rednecks and places that even I cringe at (and I'm fairly tolerant of rural conservatives, because I come from a rather extended family of them). But so does every state. Eastern Oregon is not exactly a hippie commune.

[WealthyRadish]

The South definitely has a lot of bad stereotypes that don't seem relevant anymore, at least in my experience visiting and driving through. Don't know how you guys stand the humidity, though, main reason I've always preferred the West. Every time I get off a plane in DIA, it's such a relief to breath that dry air. I think I've seen mold here twice in my life.

[kaijyuu]

Stereotypes are dumb. I'm more concerned with the actual problems round these parts; here in good ol' South Carolina, we still have people in the government who deny "natural selection" and want schools to promote "other theories."

If the South seceded tomorrow I'd probably be packing my bags, solely because the government here is corrupt as fuck.

[kaijyuu]

There are bible thumpers and athiests just like everywhere else. The bible thumpers may have some sway here but that's not just because of demographics.

[misko27]

To be all honest despite the lip-service the far right gives to secession no one actually believes in that on any serious level. I mean it's synonymous with all the nasty sorts down at the Bundy ranch: the militias, the racists*(read all the way through) , the sovereign citizens, all the people who just scream "Fringe". It's Now states rights, that's a whole different thing, and an actual issue that is wrestled over. But secession? Most recent poll I can find has a 22% support nationwide merely for the right to secede, let alone actually seceding. Hell the only southern confederacy group I could find is classified as a hate-group. The people who think they personally are not subject to US law have larger numbers. I mean it could happen, but it has the same chance as, say, Gary Johnson 2016.

And I truly hate warmer weather (I get sweaty at just above room temperature), so the south is not for me. DC is as south as I go (that's technically the south), and that's only because I'm interested in national politics. Everything else, naah. Keep your damn sun to yourselves.

[kaijyuu]

I do love humidity. That's one perk of living here.


Heat ain't so bad. I remember in Utah when my room would get up to ~110 F during the summer (admittedly I slept in the hallway right below our swamp cooler rather than in my room).

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Embrace it, MSH. Embrace the grievances and consider secession. You know it makes sense.

No, it doesn't. A house divided against itself cannot stand, and all that. All Americans should strive for a mutual society, in my view, and that means no secession. And as I said before, secession=racism around here.

But I think the whole "the South are inbred redneck bible thumping gun loving far-right hillbillies" attitude is pretty disgraceful. Very, very unhelpful and I can only see scenarios where, joking aside, some groups of Southerners will feel even more distant and alienated from the North. I do view the attitude some people have towards the South (you know, the ones that cringe when they hear a Southern accent) as out and out prejudice.

It's a problem. And it doesn't just stop with good ol' boys. A lot of the stereotypes the former applies to black southerners I've seen expressed by non-southerners too. There's a lot of racism that goes on in the near-uniformly white parts of the US that goes unchallenged, and not many of those are in the South.

Being a Southern progressive has long been the shittiest political position in the country. Because you get vilified from both sides.

Our day will come. If it could be done in during the Reconstruction, it can most certainly be done in 201X. We just have to crack the Southern Strategy and make sure the racism inherent to it is known by everybody. Fortunately, the Republicans seem very intensely determined to help us with undoing their political viability.

And seasons.

That's, uh....technically correct. The issue is that our seasons aren't in order. North Carolina weather is schizophrenic, and it only gets worse the further away you get from Raleigh, in either direction.

I was under the impression that being overly-religious was a stereotype of the southern states?

Irreligion is the second largest religious grouping in North Carolina at 10-15%, obviously after Christianity. This gets more complicated if you split it into its components, but we have a large and growing element of people who don't care for religion in the South. Like me.

[Owlbread]

No, it doesn't. A house divided against itself cannot stand, and all that. All Americans should strive for a mutual society, in my view, and that means no secession. And as I said before, secession=racism around here.

It is possible to have a "mutual society" with secession, and the fact that secession=racism in the states is something that should be challenged in my view.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

No, it doesn't. A house divided against itself cannot stand, and all that. All Americans should strive for a mutual society, in my view, and that means no secession. And as I said before, secession=racism around here.

It is possible to have a "mutual society" with secession, and the fact that secession=racism in the states is something that should be challenged in my view.

No, it really isn't. We have a singular identity composed of those who wish to join it, and enrich it with their presence. And while I'm sure that line sounds familiar to you, Britian =/= America, for all of their similarities. Almost nobody here has any interest in secession. We're...well, better together.

[Owlbread]

No, it really isn't. We have a singular identity composed of those who wish to join it, and enrich it with their presence. And while I'm sure that line sounds familiar to you, Britian =/= America, for all of their similarities.

Judging by what I have seen of the USA, there is anything but a "singular" identity there.

Almost nobody here has any interest in secession. We're...well, better together.

It's funny how you always take it so seriously whenever I playfully talk of something like the Free State of Georgia. I know that secession in the USA is about as likely as Gary Johnson/Ron Paul coming to power and that it's associated with racists and nonsense at times but honestly, I'm just throwing ideas out there. Like a Socialist USA or something. It can spark some interesting discussions.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Judging by what I have seen of the USA, there is anything but a "singular" identity there.

It's hard to describe to people who aren't socialized into American society. I would almost describe it as a sort of.....I don't know, unified diversity. The entirety of this nation's existence is based upon the ideal of liberty and the contract of the Constitution. Everything else is a toss-up, but those are fixed points. It's why people describe themselves as Hyphenated-Americans, and such.

It's funny how you always take it so seriously whenever I playfully talk of something like the Free State of Georgia. I know that secession in the USA is about as likely as Gary Johnson coming to power and that it's associated with racists and nonsense at times but honestly, I'm just throwing ideas out there. Like a Socialist USA or something.

It would be somewhat disrespectful not to give it a serious consideration, though my previous comment wasn't all that serious, I'm just jabbing at the idea that the No campaign's rhetoric would work so much better in America. And let's be real here, you want a USA that's both secessionist and socialist.

[kaijyuu]

You LIKE humidity?

You're weird. Humidity is awful. It's like being permanently sweaty without the cooling effect.

I grew up in a friggin' desert. Dry skin is what's awful; my back starts itching and my face dries out to the point of cracking (pictures of me around age 7 have a permanent sore on the left side of my mouth).

Humidity is a godsend. I don't feel like stretching will result in cracks forming in my skin.