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23 (21.3%)

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49 (45.4%)

Total Members Voted: 107

[RedKing]

Georgia signs new concealed carry law that would allow guns into schools, churches, airports, bars, and government buildings. (But not the Capitol, of course. Wouldn't want some crazy guy to shoot those fine Georgia legislators who passed this...)


Not that I needed much impetus, but consider Georgia added to my "don't set foot in" list.

[Owlbread]

I don't really see the problem. I can't think of any mass shootings that have been perpetrated by someone using their CC handgun, maybe I'm wrong.

The worst shootings always happen in gun-free zones anyway. The pattern is that a gun-free zone like an airport, bar, church or school is created, then a fruitcake decides to buy an AR-15 or shotgun, drives up to the place, gets out of his car, illegally enters the gun-free zone while open carrying (he isn't worried about breaking the law, is he?) and kills everyone then himself. I don't see how retaining the restrictive laws that were previously there would change things. Then again I don't see how this law will change things, unless teachers are able to CC themselves or something. There's been so little research into that that I don't know if it would help.

[Sheb]

Letting people take guns in bar seems like a stupid idea though...

[Owlbread]

Letting people take guns in bar seems like a stupid idea though...

If someone is going to go in there and rob the place or commit a crime, they probably won't care about the sign outside the door saying "no guns allowed". That said, this law wouldn't make dealing with bar fights any easier.

[GlyphGryph]

Letting people take guns in bar seems like a stupid idea though...

Well, this is letting people take guns specifically into bars that allow them to. Bars can still ban people from taking guns inside, and I've been to bars (well, clubs anyway) that do pat downs or at least spot checks for exactly that.

[Owlbread]

I'd quite like to visit Georgia I think. Just to confuse everyone with my simultaneous overtly Leftist/Socialist tendencies, atheism and my support for gun rights and loathing of Liberals... and possibly a desire for them to secede from the Union.

[Descan]

They might be confused on which liberal you mean, though ;P

I know I do sometimes. Never entirely sure what kind of liberal someone is talkin' about. :I

fuggin' neo-liberals.

[Owlbread]

They might be confused on which liberal you mean, though ;P

I know I do sometimes. Never entirely sure what kind of liberal someone is talkin' about. :I

fuggin' neo-liberals.

Yes. Though at times American Liberals really get on my wick too, bloody pinkos. Besides the reasons in that video there I'm also generally frustrated by the fact that they're seldom radical enough.

Why can't we call ourselves Socialists anymore? Why do we have to use that god-awful expression "Progressive"? It just makes me think of Oliver Stone and granola bars.

[scriver]

I call myself both socialist and progressive.

[Owlbread]

I call myself both socialist and progressive.

I'm fine with that, that works. We're both Europeans though. I just wish more Americans would have the courage to call themselves Socialist.

[mainiac]

Why can't we call ourselves Socialists anymore? Why do we have to use that god-awful expression "Progressive"? It just makes me think of Oliver Stone and granola bars.

While most socialists are progressives (not all look at Cuba) most progressives in the US are not socialists.

[kaijyuu]

I'm an anarcho-collectivist, if online litmus tests can be believed.

[Owlbread]

While most socialists are progressives (not all look at Cuba) most progressives in the US are not socialists.

So as a non-Socialist progressive (I presume), you disagree that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole?

[mainiac]

So as a non-Socialist progressive (I presume), you disagree that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole?

I'm a mixed markey socialist myself, I think some sectors should be nationalized while others shouldn't.  But that's what a non-Socialist progressive would believe, yes.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I'd quite like to visit Georgia I think. Just to confuse everyone with my simultaneous overtly Leftist/Socialist tendencies, atheism and my support for gun rights and loathing of Liberals... and possibly a desire for them to secede from the Union.

Eh, most people from conservative areas understand that Europeans are often socialists. The expression that they should be their nation would probably be taken surprisingly well by good ol' boys and very badly by black southerners, and I doubt I need to explain why. Secessionist fervor is intrinsically linked to racism here.

Yes. Though at times American Liberals really get on my wick too, bloody pinkos. Besides the reasons in that video there I'm also generally frustrated by the fact that they're seldom radical enough.

Sometimes we have to chose between actually making positive changes or being ideologically pure. Because we sure as hell can't let the Republicans have an inch. That guy is a dismissive moron who doesn't understand the reality of politics in this nation. We should work hard to support left-wing candidates where we can, but when it comes down to the wire we also have to bite the bullet to keep the real monsters out of power.

Why can't we call ourselves Socialists anymore? Why do we have to use that god-awful expression "Progressive"? It just makes me think of Oliver Stone and granola bars.

It all depends on what you're talking about. You'll actually find a lot of people in the US who think that "socialism", in the vague sense, is a good thing, but very few actually identify with the socialist movement. As for progressive, it's because that's what most left people in the US really are. We are the New Progressives (the Old Progressives sometimes had...issues when it came to things like human rights), and while that sometimes overlaps with socialism it does not always do so.

So as a non-Socialist progressive (I presume), you disagree that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole?

I'm a mixed markey socialist myself, I think some sectors should be nationalized while others shouldn't.  But that's what a non-Socialist progressive would believe, yes.

Agreed. In truth, I'm halfway to being a socialist myself, but collective ownership is only good in certain contexts. I would definitely like to see an explosion in workplace democracy, however.