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Ted Cruz

7 (6.5%)

Rick Santorum

16 (14.8%)

Michelle Bachmann

13 (12%)

Chris Christie

23 (21.3%)

Rand Paul

49 (45.4%)

Total Members Voted: 107

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Those outside the US might not know that the right wing here has been making a lot of noise about how the ACA will lead to an explosion of costs because everyone getting insurance obviously only did it because they were unhealty, meaning insurance will get more expensive leading to the unhealthier dropping their insurance an so forth until we arrive at socialist bread lines in front of doctors offices where they will euthanize you just to save you the pain of Obamacare.  So in that context it's funny to see the scope of overrun we are talking about: http://www.balloon-juice.com/2014/04/04/2-32-per-person-per-month/

tl,dr: expect premiums to go up 2.50 in 2015 and communism to arrive in 2016.

Oh god, that's hilarious. Time to annoy my right-wing relatives (it's all retaliative, I assure you).

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Chyron HR says:
April 4, 2014 at 8:12 am
Um, hello? Costs won’t go up because they can execute the sick people with their death panels. It’s like you weren’t even paying attention back in 2010.

You darned liberals, ignoring the voices of reason.


On another note I can't tell if this specific comment is serious or trolling. That is the desperate state of modern day internet comments.

[scriver]

Also, I forgot to actually comment on this one:

This is kind of America.  And interesting.

Mexican Vigilantes
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26918961

I hadn't heard a thing about such vigilantes before. But, iirc, didn't one of the now-biggest drug cartels start out as a "self defence group"/vigilantes as well?

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I hadn't heard a thing about such vigilantes before. But, iirc, didn't one of the now-biggest drug cartels start out as a "self defence group"/vigilantes as well?

I believe that's the Knight's Templar or related groups. Acted under the guise of protecting local businesses and was essentially just extorting them, then went the straight drug-cartel route of violence and smuggling.

[Descan]

That's fairly obviously trolling, mate. "Get your stories straight!" is the subtext.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The problem is, you have to defend yourself against the cartels or they'll kill you. But to defend yourself you need weapons, logistics, and the ability to counter-bribe the people the cartels are bribing. So you need money. A lot of money. And to get that much money....you start selling drugs. Eventually, you have to start acting ruthlessly if you want to make a real dent in the cartels. The cycle continues.

[smirk]

Huh. FiveThirtyEight finally relaunched a couple weeks ago and I completely missed it. Time to go see if it's up to the old standards.

Also, I forgot to actually comment on this one:

This is kind of America.  And interesting.

Mexican Vigilantes
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26918961

I hadn't heard a thing about such vigilantes before. But, iirc, didn't one of the now-biggest drug cartels start out as a "self defence group"/vigilantes as well?

The vigilantes are problematic, but it seems like they've been doing more good than bad on the whole. They'll need to go eventually, but the gov't had better be really sure of its hold before it disbands 'em.


[Also, one of Emperor Norton's titles was 'Protector of Mexico'. So such discussions should be fine here =P ]

[Loud Whispers]

The problem is, you have to defend yourself against the cartels or they'll kill you. But to defend yourself you need weapons, logistics, and the ability to counter-bribe the people the cartels are bribing. So you need money. A lot of money. And to get that much money....you start selling drugs. Eventually, you have to start acting ruthlessly if you want to make a real dent in the cartels. The cycle continues.

Haven't the Mormons and Autodefensas got around that by just killing/removing people who were under cartel payrolls?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Huh. FiveThirtyEight finally relaunched a couple weeks ago and I completely missed it. Time to go we if it's up to the old standards.

I've thought it has been. It's great to have FiveThirtyEight be not on NYT, the bastards.

Haven't the Mormons and Autodefensas got around that by just killing/removing people who were under cartel payrolls?

If so, it might explain the disturbing spiral of all public officials being murdered. Either you don't take cartel payoffs and die, or you do take cartel payoffs and die.

[RedKing]

Huh. FiveThirtyEight finally relaunched a couple weeks ago and I completely missed it. Time to go we if it's up to the old standards.

I've thought it has been. It's great to have FiveThirtyEight be not on NYT, the bastards.

So....they're going to be doing advanced stats analysis on sports *and* politics?

Nate, you magnificent bastard.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

So....they're going to be doing advanced stats analysis witchery on sports *and* politics?

FTFY

[mainiac]

So....they're going to be doing advanced stats analysis on sports *and* politics?

Remove the word advanced and put scare quotes around the word analysis.

[Loud Whispers]

If so, it might explain the disturbing spiral of all public officials being murdered. Either you don't take cartel payoffs and die, or you do take cartel payoffs and die.

Yeah, it's hard not to mention "death" when a sentence includes "Mexico" and "cartels."

[RedKing]

So....they're going to be doing advanced stats analysis on sports *and* politics?

Remove the word advanced and put scare quotes around the word analysis.

You sound skeptical of Lord Silvermort's powers.

[FearfulJesuit]

The electorate at work.