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Ted Cruz

7 (6.5%)

Rick Santorum

16 (14.8%)

Michelle Bachmann

13 (12%)

Chris Christie

23 (21.3%)

Rand Paul

49 (45.4%)

Total Members Voted: 107

[Lord Shonus]

Note that this is also why the invasions of Canada in both the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 were launched. French-Canadian discomfort with British rule was seen (rightly or wrongly) as the making of a powerful "14th colony" that would deprive Britain of a major staging area to threaten the interior lines of the seccessionist (and later independent) colonies.

[GreatJustice]

Of course, both times the invasions failed because the Quebecois didn't "rise up against the English oppressors" in any significant numbers and, indeed, tended to join local militias in fighting off the invaders. Yeah, Quebec didn't have the autonomy that the 13 Colonies originally did, but Quebec was a comparably tiny colony, had an altogether different history (comparably no autonomy even under French rule, small population meant more co-existence with natives and less bloodthirsty expansion), and very little interest in joining with the Americans.

Anyhow, the Proclamation Line of 1763 was mostly put into place so as to protect the natives that were either allied with the British or had surrendered in good faith after the 7 Years War. Sure enough, once the Americans were capable, they pretty well cleared out everyone they were able to from the Ohio River Valley, which is part of the reason why Tecumseh and company ended up supporting the British in the War of 1812.

[Lord Shonus]

Of course, both times the invasions failed because the Quebecois didn't "rise up against the English oppressors" in any significant numbers and, indeed, tended to join local militias in fighting off the invaders. Yeah, Quebec didn't have the autonomy that the 13 Colonies originally did, but Quebec was a comparably tiny colony, had an altogether different history (comparably no autonomy even under French rule, small population meant more co-existence with natives and less bloodthirsty expansion), and very little interest in joining with the Americans.

Didn't say the assumption was correct, just that that's what they were banking on.

[GlyphGryph]

But surely when we launch our war of liberation the civilians will rise up and join us, welcoming us as heroes, one of  these days. We just gotta keep trying!

[FearfulJesuit]

Could Mittens be...back?

[kaijyuu]

A bunch of news outlets have been lying recently.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The GOP is stupid, but fielding Romney/Christie would be a stretch even for them.

[ggamer]

there's no "even for us," there's no way I'm voting for that jackass (Mittens) in the primary.

[Max White]

So have the democrats put forward anybody yet? I mean it is all very well discussing what republican you would prefer the least, but at some point somebody has to step forward that you would actually vote for, right?

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Well, no body wants Uncle Joe Biden, Obama probably won't endorse Hillary, and frankly that's about it! Unless they want someone of arguably less fame/experience/influence in the white house.

[Max White]

Is there a reason nobody wants Biden? I thought he was pretty good at this sort of stuff...

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Biden was a very active and effective Senator, but his reputation kind of nosedived after becoming VP. He just has a tendency for excessive informality and misspeaking. It's not impossible, but he's going to have to work to become less goofy. I'd prefer him over Hillary because Biden is quite the idealist, especially for a man of his age.

[Lord Shonus]

I don't know about that. A large part of what got Bush II his support was his own goofiness and "everyman" persona. The ability to present yourself as NOT one of the typical "stuffed shirts" could be a very potent advantage, especially after Obama's extreme seriousness (which isn't a bad thing by any means, but it does reduce relateability a bit. It's worked well for Obama because, along with the goofiness, Bush II projected an aura of extreme incompetence to the point where even fairly intelligent comments of his were treated as Wiggumisms, and a more serious tone was a welcome change.)

[FearfulJesuit]

Obama has extreme seriousness?

A fair bit of the stuff I've seen of him is him poking fun at... all sorts of stuff. Such as the accusations that he wasn't born in America, to which he replied with the Lion King's intro.

Obama has been pretty good at not putting his foot in his mouth. You can't really say that for Biden or George II.

[Max White]

I never really saw Obama as a serious guy...