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Ted Cruz

7 (6.5%)

Rick Santorum

16 (14.8%)

Michelle Bachmann

13 (12%)

Chris Christie

23 (21.3%)

Rand Paul

49 (45.4%)

Total Members Voted: 107

[misko27]

Zachary Taylor gets my vote for 1) Despite being a Southern Slave-Owner, supporting the Union and being against expansion of slavery 2) Not really fucking anything up and doing ok in general 3) Dying from overeating cherries 6 months into his term.

Wikipedia on Jackson, Andrew:

Historians acknowledge his protection of popular democracy and individual liberty for American citizens, but criticize his support for slavery and his role in Indian removal.

Wikipedia on Cleveland, Grover:

Cleveland won praise for his honesty, self-reliance, integrity, and commitment to the principles of classical liberalism. He relentlessly fought political corruption, patronage and bossism. Indeed, as a reformer his prestige was so strong that the like-minded wing of the Republican Party, called "Mugwumps", largely bolted the GOP presidential ticket and swung to his support in the 1884 election.
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Even so, his reputation for probity and good character survived the troubles of his second term. Biographer Allan Nevins wrote: "in Grover Cleveland the greatness lies in typical rather than unusual qualities. He had no endowments that thousands of men do not have. He possessed honesty, courage, firmness, independence, and common sense. But he possessed them to a degree other men do not"

Anyway, Colbert will be pissed. Also, you guys, ACA is now moving into effect, Colorado now has Marijuana, things are happening; stop discussing American Presidents.

[Helgoland]

Didn't Jackson enact some very beneficial (for white Americans) legislation? I mean, yeah he was a genocidal slave-owning madman, but there's no need to demonize him - at the time, those actions obviously enjoyed widespread support, something that cannot be said of many of today's genocidal madmen.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I wouldn't say that the Indian Removal Act had widespread support. The Senate passed it 28 to 19 and the House of Representatives passed it 101 to 97.

[Helgoland]

I meant 'widespread' as in 'not a fringe view' - if you can get a majority in Congress and the Senate, it's pretty much guaranteed that there's at least ~30% of the population that supports what you're doing.

[Vector]

Yes, and that's why we discuss a special concept called the "tyranny of the majority"

[Max White]

Honestly how did you even get such weenie kids on your money? I mean at some point in time somebody would have had to have sat down and thought 'Oh hey, lets use this guy! That will work, right?'
We appointed an independent group full of artists and historians, and being the academic type they went a little left wing and now our currency is covered in faces of socialists, womens rights activists and an indigenous Australian thrown in for good measure.

Ok so I have some beef with Edith Cowan, but I think Mary Gilmore makes up for it.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

As I recall, Jackson's place on the $20 is due to his destruction of the First Bank of the United States.

[Max White]

Is that meant to be a good thing? What are the implications of such an act?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It's a good thing if you hate central banking, I suppose. He also eliminated US debt in its entirety.

Edit: Oh, what the fuck, South Carolina? (Official bill text.)

The lawmakers said they were willing to compromise on that point.

“The compromise would be to have the students to pray to whomever they want to. If they want to do away with teachers conducting the prayer that would be fine with us. The essential part of the bill, the important part, is putting prayer back in school,” Gilliard told WCIV.

“There would be no noise, no disruption, no anything. But the teacher would conduct it to let the students know we would have one minute for a moment of silence of prayer. That person can pray to whomever they please,” he added.

What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" do you assholes not understand!? South Carolina continues to be Worst Carolina.

[Max White]

So I guess this is where the pastafarians decide their faith dictates wearing silly giant hats while they pray, there as justifying giant novelty hats in school... Because that is what I would do, and lets face it, there is a precedent for religion and large hats to mix.

[Flying Dice]

If I were a student in public school in Best Carolina, I'd start showing in appropriate outfits offering prayers to the Chaos gods. That'd nip it in the bud right quick if it caught on.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

If I were a student in public school in Best Carolina, I'd start showing in appropriate outfits offering prayers to the Chaos gods. That'd nip it in the bud right quick if it caught on.

How dare you confuse my great state with Worst Carolina!

[Flying Dice]

If I were a student in public school in Best Carolina, I'd start showing in appropriate outfits offering prayers to the Chaos gods. That'd nip it in the bud right quick if it caught on.

How dare you confuse my great state with Worst Carolina!

Wait, we're just going to start being straightforward with the names now?

What about the Dakotas? Do we call them both Best Dakota or Worst Dakota? Is it Virginia and Better Virginia or Virginia and Worse Virginia?

[Frumple]

I figure "Bad" and "Worse" work for all of those ones (used interchangeably, of course~). There's just something about those dual states that end up either being forgettable or horrible.

Or maybe I'm thinking of something else. Regardless, incandescents being phased out sounds like good times, t'me. Can't wait till they force out florescents, too. LED master race, suckas!

... now I just need to get some LED lights in this house. S'mostly CFLs, hum.

[kaijyuu]

Well I'll do my best to make South Carolina better as long as I live here. Don't know how much effect I'll have though :|