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Ted Cruz

7 (6.5%)

Rick Santorum

16 (14.8%)

Michelle Bachmann

13 (12%)

Chris Christie

23 (21.3%)

Rand Paul

49 (45.4%)

Total Members Voted: 107

[Sheb]

And for the first year, the penalty is a measly 95$ anyway, so no big deal if you don't do a thing.

[Frumple]

Not just the individual stuff, Sheb. Also the stuff that hits providers and whatnot. Though yeah, as is fairly usual with this sort of stuff in the states, the penalties and fees probably won't be enough to cause compliance in the beginning. It'll probably take some time before th'gov actually starts using an appropriately sized stick.

... though I'd disagree on that fine being measly. If I didn't have family covering mine, I'd be hunting down subsidies and whatnot to avoid that penalty. Need to be anyway 'cause what I do have is kinda' shitty. 95$ USD is a month worth of food or gas -- more than, really. S'pretty significant for someone in my general situation.

Probably pretty minor for the general sort of folk that'd be tanking it, but...

[GreatJustice]

The weird thing is that I thought that subsidies and so on would bring the costs for the poor down to nearly nothing, yet even with the subsidies for the lowest brackets (400% below the poverty rate I think?) they're a bit high for people living from check to check, I think around $20 a month or so. It varies from one state to the next, so it's hard to really get the costs pegged compared to before the ACA.

But hey, on the "bright" side, unless the American electorate overturns about 100 years of tradition, if the ACA continues to be a mess and goes nowhere then the prevailing opinion will be that it didn't go far enough. If the single payer system that gets created after that doesn't work, then they'll make like the Quebec government and demand more money.

[Sheb]

95$ is 8$ a month, even factoring in subsidies, I bet you can't find a cheaper plan than this.

However, the penalty is set to rise to ~700$ over the next 3 years. So even if you miss the wagon this time, you'd better start looking for a plan.

[mainiac]

they're a bit high for people living from check to check, I think around $20 a month or so.

20 dollars a month is 240 dollars a year.  The lowest bracket is those making 150% of the poverty line... $17,000 a year or $1,400 a month.  Below that you are either covered by the Medicaid expansion (democrats control your state government) or you are exempt from the mandate due to the poverty exemption (social-darwinists control your state legislature).  You saying that $20 a month for healthcare is going to break the bank?

[ansontan2000]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/sen-paul-says-hes-suing-over-nsa-policies

Discuss.

[GreatJustice]

they're a bit high for people living from check to check, I think around $20 a month or so.

20 dollars a month is 240 dollars a year.  The lowest bracket is those making 150% of the poverty line... $17,000 a year or $1,400 a month.  Below that you are either covered by the Medicaid expansion (democrats control your state government) or you are exempt from the mandate due to the poverty exemption (social-darwinists control your state legislature).  You saying that $20 a month for healthcare is going to break the bank?

If you're making just enough to pay the bills, $20 a month can be pretty substantial.

[mainiac]

If you're making just enough to pay the bills, $20 a month can be pretty substantial.

Yes but there is this thing called math that let's us be a bit more specific then that.

[Sheb]

His point was that if you're doing less than 1400 a month you don't have to pay those 20$. If you're doing 1400 a month and can't afford 20$...

[Bauglir]

His point was that if you're doing less than 1400 a month you don't have to pay those 20$. If you're doing 1400 a month and can't afford 20$...

To be fair, I'm breaking even on a fair bit more than that. Student loan payments take a shitpile of income if you actually try to pay them on time.

[kaijyuu]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/sen-paul-says-hes-suing-over-nsa-policies

Discuss.

If he wasn't claiming it's entirely the Obama administration's fault then I might be cheering this.

The Bush administration started it. The Obama administration just continued and expanded it.

[Owlbread]

There's a lot of things people are blaming the Obama administration for that Bush started. Partisan tribalism always seems to prevail in these things.

[Helgoland]

Only on the Republican side. We leftists have outgrown these silly superstitions.

[Descan]

And people think that something that happens during a presidency, even if it's a delayed reaction/leak of something started/caused during the previous administration, is the fault of the sitting president.

[kaijyuu]

Sometimes the opposite can happen too. My parents have said that the economic advances during Clinton's administration were the effects of Reaganomics kicking in from previous presidencies.