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Bay12 Presidential Focus Polling 2016

Ted Cruz
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Rick Santorum
- 16 (14.8%)
Michelle Bachmann
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Chris Christie
- 23 (21.3%)
Rand Paul
- 49 (45.4%)

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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4560 on: November 25, 2013, 07:38:30 pm »
And yet Lebanon and Israel arc towards off-topic. And it's a heated area too.
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4561 on: November 25, 2013, 07:50:02 pm »
Yeah, I'd rather not have an Israel/Palestine/etc. flamewar.
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4562 on: November 25, 2013, 08:13:30 pm »
Quote from: Mictlantecuhtli on November 25, 2013, 07:22:36 pm
Just stating things blithely gets the point across.Do you mean the aggression of the military-police forces against non-Jewish people [threatening kids at gunpoint] near settlement areas? The walls around 'proper' cities, stopping hard working Arabs from getting to their jobs [without getting through..]?
Yeah.  It seems like a pretty clear cut case of "commencing military operations without provocation or cause".
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4563 on: November 25, 2013, 08:28:30 pm »
The biggest story in American politics right now is the deal with Iran and Israel's reaction to it.
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4564 on: November 25, 2013, 08:30:10 pm »
I'd just rather the settlement policy and the brow beating on both sides over it would be recognized as a symptom of Israel's hostile relations with non-Jews. It could easily be done away with if central Israeli leadership didn't have free reign in their near-segregation policies. There are true reformists in Israeli borders too. But as brought up before, that is not the same as them actively attacking their neighbors. And inciting violence against other people on the basis of past conflict.
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4565 on: November 25, 2013, 08:46:11 pm »
Well, given Israel's history of conflict with just about everyone in the region, is it really surprising Syria wanted chemicals and Iran want a bomb? Not as a mean of destroying Israel, but to level the playing field?
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4566 on: November 25, 2013, 08:54:15 pm »
Quote from: Sheb on November 25, 2013, 08:46:11 pm
Well, given Israel's history of conflict with just about everyone in the region, is it really surprising Syria wanted chemicals and Iran want a bomb? Not as a mean of destroying Israel, but to level the playing field?
Surprising? No. Desirable? No. Solely a response to Israel, as opposed to being a poker chip in other regional struggles? No.
And there's the issue of stability - Mubarak has fallen, Assad must fall, Chamenei and the Saudi dynasty may fall, but you can be damn sure that those pesky Jews will cling to their state until they have been driven into the sea*. Plus there's a whole lot more international interest in Israel's domestic ongoings than in, say, Jordania's.

Anyway, this is getting way OT - maybe start a new thread?

*This is obviously irony, but this footnote surely can't hurt ;)
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4567 on: November 25, 2013, 08:55:06 pm »
Obama still has a pretty serious issue, in that congress may go behind his back and vote for more sanctions on Iran (there are more than enough pro-Israel Democratic senators to do this).  He'd be able to veto them, but they wouldn't exactly help the diplomatic process.
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4568 on: November 25, 2013, 09:14:26 pm »
Congress is opposed to Diplomacy on principle. They have few principles, but they stick to them.


Obama can implement the relief on his own authority, so that will go through, but I just read Chuck Schumer (#3 Senate Democrat) talking about how it was only sanctions that led Iran to the table, so Obama will have his hands full, probably right after Thanksgiving.
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4569 on: November 25, 2013, 09:15:42 pm »
I don't think Obama does his Black Friday shopping himself...
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4570 on: November 25, 2013, 09:24:22 pm »
On another note, what happened when one of Congress' chamber pass a bill and the other never pick it up? Does it expire after a while, or does it stay in limbo forever? I'm just asking, because apparently the house passed a cap-and-trade bill back in 2009.

How cool would it be for the Senate to pass it? Can you imagine the rage? The sweet, sweet, energy-efficient rage?  :P
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4571 on: November 25, 2013, 09:25:47 pm »
I'm fairly certain it has to be in the same legislative season at the very least.
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4572 on: November 26, 2013, 09:57:03 am »
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I don't think Obama does his Black Friday shopping himself...
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oh. You meant *that* kind of Black Friday.
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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4573 on: November 26, 2013, 10:36:37 am »
Quote from: RedKing on November 26, 2013, 09:57:03 am
Quote from: Darvi on November 25, 2013, 09:15:42 pm
I don't think Obama does his Black Friday shopping himself...
THAT'S RAC--

oh. You meant *that* kind of Black Friday.
He has his slaves do it for him.

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Re: FJ's American Politics Megathread Two: Celebrating Four Decades of Malaise
« Reply #4574 on: November 26, 2013, 11:51:07 am »
I'm fairly certain Obama doesn't actually lack anything that Black Friday would save him money on.
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