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Bay12 Presidential Focus Polling 2016

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Chris Christie
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1035 on: May 15, 2013, 05:53:00 am »

It looks like it circumvents the language of the act, which limits the president's power to deploy military in domestic situations.  This regulation gives someone else that authority instead, and expands its application to a vaguely defined circumstance.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1036 on: May 15, 2013, 12:16:37 pm »

US Navy successfully launches a UCAS drone from a carrier.

Goodbye, giant nuclear floating city supercarriers.
Hello, ~25,000-ton stealthed drone carriers.  :o
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1037 on: May 15, 2013, 12:43:41 pm »

Huh. I'm kinda surprised they haven't done that already.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1038 on: May 15, 2013, 12:51:07 pm »

I'm just waiting for the carrier drones.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1039 on: May 15, 2013, 12:59:36 pm »

I'm just waiting for the carrier drones.

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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1040 on: May 15, 2013, 02:58:32 pm »

Huh. I'm kinda surprised they haven't done that already.
Not entirely just that, they launched it, but it landed itself. Think about that. They can now be entirely autonomous.


Goodbye, giant nuclear floating city supercarriers.
Hello, ~25,000-ton stealthed drone carriers.  :o


I wonder what china is thinking... After all, they only just got one of those floating nuke cities. And now the US has a conceivably massive drone army waiting in the wings, pun intended.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1041 on: May 15, 2013, 03:21:11 pm »

More to the point, a goodly deal of Chinese defensive strategy has been focused on "How do we target and sink those American giant nuclear floating cities if shit gets real?". They were getting pretty good at having multiple ways to overwhelm and sink a single large target like that.

Suddenly replace said single large target with numerous smaller targets, all capable of fielding an air wing of drones. Hell, if the next-gen drones are mostly autonomous, you don't even have to protect the operators or maintain a line of communication to the drones (cyberattack/disrupting GPS and communications was the second major area of Chinese strategic development, the qi (unorthodox or suprise) to the zheng (orthodox or conventional) of mounting a large swarm attack.

Granted, we're still at least a decade away from purpose-built drone carriers. But it has the potential to completely reshape our naval power, and in a good direction. We'd been starting to starting to adopt the WWII Axis mindset of having a handful of high-value megavehicles, when what won the war was the Allies' zerg rush of inferior (but replaceable) pocket carriers and light tanks.

Replacing big, hard-to-replace hard-to-defend megacarriers with a crew of tens of thousands with pocket drone carriers with much smaller crews....good strategic direction. Also allows you to calibrate your force levels when you're dealing with a crisis situation and becomes much easier to be everywhere at once. Just my .02.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1042 on: May 15, 2013, 04:07:13 pm »

-snip-
This reminds me of a quote I read recently. "Generals are always preparing for the previous war."
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1043 on: May 16, 2013, 03:10:59 am »

Actually, the "plenty of little ships"  has been gaining tractions a lot recently. Not only the carriers, but the LCS too. Not surprising, given America's last wars were smaller, lower-intensity conflicts.

Anyway, it's not that impressive in the the drone landed on the ground. I'll reserve my admiration for when they manage to land on a carrier in moderately bad weather.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1044 on: May 16, 2013, 04:56:03 am »

More to the point, a goodly deal of Chinese defensive strategy has been focused on "How do we target and sink those American giant nuclear floating cities if shit gets real?". They were getting pretty good at having multiple ways to overwhelm and sink a single large target like that.

Suddenly replace said single large target with numerous smaller targets, all capable of fielding an air wing of drones. Hell, if the next-gen drones are mostly autonomous, you don't even have to protect the operators or maintain a line of communication to the drones (cyberattack/disrupting GPS and communications was the second major area of Chinese strategic development, the qi (unorthodox or suprise) to the zheng (orthodox or conventional) of mounting a large swarm attack.

Granted, we're still at least a decade away from purpose-built drone carriers. But it has the potential to completely reshape our naval power, and in a good direction. We'd been starting to starting to adopt the WWII Axis mindset of having a handful of high-value megavehicles, when what won the war was the Allies' zerg rush of inferior (but replaceable) pocket carriers and light tanks.

Replacing big, hard-to-replace hard-to-defend megacarriers with a crew of tens of thousands with pocket drone carriers with much smaller crews....good strategic direction. Also allows you to calibrate your force levels when you're dealing with a crisis situation and becomes much easier to be everywhere at once. Just my .02.

Would this be a similar idea to the Roman army being defeated by barbarians? A gross simplification of the goings on at the time, but highly trained troops vs masses of axe wielding villagers seems a similar concept of a win for swarm tactics.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1045 on: May 16, 2013, 06:09:57 am »

only the roman army defeated and conquered barbarian armies and territories for centuries before the empire finally fell. the fall of rome was more a result of socio-economics and political and cultural paradigm shifts than warfare.

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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1047 on: May 16, 2013, 08:10:05 pm »

How relevant is this? http://www.smbc-comics.com/?db=comics&id=2778#comic
To a discussion on military technology and policy? I'd say pretty much not relevant at all.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1048 on: May 16, 2013, 08:24:52 pm »

Oho, but these posters have been discussing colleges elsewhere, which i really should have remembered. (and thread title).
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #1049 on: May 17, 2013, 09:35:25 am »

I think this may fit here, somehow.  Either this or the wtf thread.

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