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Chris Christie

23 (21.3%)

Rand Paul

49 (45.4%)

Total Members Voted: 107

[misko27]

Yeah, in the citythere are at least places for the homeless. I do know they have taken over a few buildings, and it's enough of a problem that there are alot of ways to get help here. And I can persoanlly guarentee they do not kick you out of soup kitchens. And there are cheap-food pleces everywhere, and recreation center's are often used for showering, and cleaning purposes. And have any kind of talent and tourists adore you. And there are enough homeless that no-one will harass you.
 
It's not exactly nice, but it is livable, and people do suceed at it. It's actually pretty decent comparitvely. They don't even kick out homeless in the upper east side, (although they usually stay out of there due to higher prices for literally everything). You should've come here.
 
How long ago was this?

[SalmonGod]

I knew about the homeless period, but not the fight clubbing.  Every new thing I learn about you, MZ, makes you a little more epic.  You're the type of person that people will make badass memes about if you ever turn into a major historical figure.

[PyroDesu]

Perhaps Maine, New Brunswick and parts of Nova Scotia could form an Acadian Union with Louisiana and compete with you for power.

Nah, our likely rivals would either be the Government Zone (DC, Maryland, Northern Virginia, with a strip connecting it to Norfolk and their unrivalled naval power) or the New Confederate States (Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, maybe Tennessee...hard to imagine a proper NCS without Nashville to provide a soundtrack). Texas would be in an uneasy alliance with the NCS, but always kind of threatening to devour it.

If that happens, then East Tennessee might want to split away from the rest again (We tried the first time the Confederacy came around, damn you Nashville not caring). You might find an ally or two there.

Then again, we might end up a bit of a fought-for area, we've got some good resources... and, given not much time, the ability to make nuclear weapons, thanks to Oak Ridge and the plethora of nuclear plants. The former starting to reprocess the fuel from the latter would give us a supply of Plutonium and make the fuel last so much longer. Especially since we're already storing lots and lots of spent fuel assemblies. So we've got the supply, and the know-how (already-existing and we can train more), and the tech base.

[Descan]

MZ should write a book.

[Guardian G.I.]

MaximumZero, I didn't know you used to be homeless! How did you manage to get in such situation and, most importantly, how did you manage to get a house and a job?

Should the United States actually collapse, I think that the exciting war for resources between former US states will continue until members of the international community with functioning economies send a international peacekeeping force for, umhmh... guarding US nuclear weapons from terrorists and delivering humanitarian aid to starving civilians.

[MaximumZero]

How long ago was this?

About 7 or so years now.

I knew about the homeless period, but not the fight clubbing.  Every new thing I learn about you, MZ, makes you a little more epic.  You're the type of person that people will make badass memes about if you ever turn into a major historical figure.

I'm betting that I'll never become a major figure. In fact, I'm kind of hoping I don't, unless my game gets really big somehow.

MZ should write a book.

A lot of people say this.

MaximumZero, I didn't know you used to be homeless! How did you manage to get in such situation and, most importantly, how did you manage to get a house and a job?

Scrapped up enough money for gas for the 12+ hour drive home, shot it in one day, moved back in with my parents and started over. Not really much else you can do, aside from drink way too hard and party way too hard, which I did. Note: I don't have a house currently, but I'm moving in with my girlfriend, who has a nice apartment. I owned a house at one point, but my ex-wife lost it for us, about three years before we divorced, when she had a falling out with the landlord, one of her father's best friends.

Sorry for hijacking the thread, all. Back to your regularly scheduled argument about politics?

What would the consequences of Balkanizing the US be?

[misko27]

War, violence, and, of course, someone would coem to dominate it once again, lthough whether ir be a foreign power or a state is uncertain.

[PanH]

I think most states wouldn't want to get involved, so no direct intervention. Though, most have interests, so they'll be fundings and influences.
The UN kind of relies a lot on US forces, so that's not really a good option either (and what would happen to the US seat in case of civil war ?).
I'd say a NATO forces, probably (or not) approved by the UN.

[Owlbread]

War and breaking up into little countries don't necessarily go hand in hand. The problem is when we've got religious/ethnic tension thrown into the mix along with "history", such as was the case in the Balkans back in the early 90s. I don't really see that as being an issue in the modern USA. Perhaps though the USA has been together for so long people wouldn't know how to handle Balkanization and might end up being very silly. I mean, I know the UK has been together since 1707 but we were independent for nearly a thousand years before that - the entity of "America" i.e. USA or the Thirteen Colonies has been unified for most of its existence. The other problem is resources, but you'll notice I'm not exactly campaigning for North Dakota to become an independent republic just yet, more like vaguely supporting Cascadia and Vermont.

It's also quite depressing when we start talking about independence, separatism etc and then instantly get into the militaristic/war side of things. I thought we were beyond that bullshit. We're Western and it's 2013, not 1783.

[Reelya]

MaximumZero, I didn't know you used to be homeless! How did you manage to get in such situation and, most importantly, how did you manage to get a house and a job?

Should the United States actually collapse, I think that the exciting war for resources between former US states will continue until members of the international community with functioning economies send a international peacekeeping force for, umhmh... guarding US nuclear weapons from terrorists and delivering humanitarian aid to starving civilians.

I think, with the vast amount the US imports right now, that resources will indeed become valuable if the whole country breaks down. Oddly enough, relative commodity prices would rise inside the USA but drop elsewhere due to lowered American demand. Getting gas to drive anywhere would become a big problem for you guys.

[Frumple]

It's also quite depressing when we start talking about independence, separatism etc and then instantly get into the militaristic/war side of things. I thought we were beyond that bullshit. We're Western and it's 2013, not 1783.

... what exactly would you expect to happen otherwise? I mean, damn, it's not exactly common decency or whatever that's keeping Europe from collapsing into a brawl, it's that stepping out of line would get you squished. Same for everywhere else. 300 years can do a lot but human's still human and the way we operate over a large area is still more or less the same. Give us an "other" that has loot and the inability to stop us from taking it and we will. Individuals can operate differently but the aggregate effect is still pretty much the same, y'know?

S'one of the reasons that globalization and cultural intermingling is by and large a good thing. The less imaginary lines and tradition mismatches we have between one another the harder it is to dehumanize our fellow man and the less likely we have things turn to violence. Throwing a lot of imaginary lines into a previously integrated entity is a good way to foster artificial hostility, which would be one of the reasons why consideration of Balkanization and related concepts pretty much inevitably degenerates into talk of the inevitable violence that'd come from it.

[Strife26]

The idea of Bulkanization of the United States is already ridiculous and anti-romantic enough that logic has to take a quick back seat, so we might as well jump to military conclusions (which tells us again, in no uncertain terms, that it's not gonna happen)

[RedKing]

The idea of Bulkanization of the United States

...is that a fat joke? 

[misko27]

The idea of Bulkanization of the United States

...is that a fat joke? 

You are being anti-american. Stop with the fat jokes!
 
But yeah, it's always war. Think of it like this: They have it pretty good together, despite what SOME people feel. If something were to break it up, it;s certain there would be hard feeliings.

[MaximumZero]

The idea of Bulkanization of the United States

...is that a fat joke? 

More of a "Pump...You UP" type deal, I'm sure.