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23 (21.3%)

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49 (45.4%)

Total Members Voted: 107

[Owlbread]

America is bigger and better than that. To kill Tsarnaev would be a grave error of justice.

[Mephansteras]

America is bigger and better than that. To kill Tsarnaev would be a grave error of justice.

Only parts of America, sadly.

[GlyphGryph]

To be honest, opposition to the death penalty is something I've never been comfortable with, esp. in situations like this where the only other alternative is basically the rest of his life in jail.

But maybe that's because I see the whole thing as a death sentence either way, with the more "socially liberal" variant being based around dragging the suffering out as long as humanly possible for some fucked up reason.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

He certainly deserves to die for what he did, regardless of it being legally permissible.

[LordSlowpoke]

oh oh oh i love this subject~

where does the threshold for "deserving death" lie?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Blowing up fucking marathon runners because you're a religious nutjob certainly reaches beyond it. While I'm against the death penalty because of the Eighth Amendment and the possibility of mistakes being made, I'm not going to be sad over this one.

[misko27]

oh oh oh i love this subject~

where does the threshold for "deserving death" lie?

Exactly 1 Kilonazi.

[Owlbread]

I don't think anyone deserves to die. I wouldn't execute Hitler, nor would I execute Jeffrey Dahmer. Rather, life in prison is sensible but they should have the option to opt out if they'd prefer i.e. apply to be executed. A kind of euthanasia.

Obviously it's different if the criminal has actually harmed your family but I'm a firm believer in the notion that the last people who should legislate are victims' families.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I always felt that life imprisonment would be more painful, in total, than a quick death. Then you account for all the appeals and structure of the execution itself costing about as much as supporting the prisoner for XX years, so economically it's a wash. And then there's the risk of executing someone on bad evidence or whatever and you would have exonerated them later - which you can do with imprisonment until dead but can't do with hanging until dead. Finally, knowing that we as a culture are able to practice restraint, to not give in to base instincts of revenge-killing, adds some cultural pride. And you want the neutral historian who investigates later to find that your side was in the right, rather than everyone just being shitty to each other.

While you may not agree with those things, and there are probably arguments for the death penalty, I personally am against it.

Then again, if you have a guy who just can't be kept in jail, but who would otherwise be kept in jail until dead - you have a choice between locking him up so well that he can't escape but leaving him in inhumane living conditions (underground, chained to floor, and in isolation), or just killing him. There's a point where you have to ramp up the penalty rather than let him run around free. It's the same as someone in minimum-security prison who keeps escaping: you need to stick him in a less-humane, higher-security facility.

[misko27]

I don't think anyone deserves to die. I wouldn't execute Hitler. Rather, life in prison is sensible but they should have the option to opt out if they'd prefer i.e. apply to be executed. A kind of euthanasia.

Obviously it's different if the criminal has actually harmed your family but I'm a firm believer in the notion that the last people who should legislate are victims' families.

Hitler is at least an order of magnitude above Kilonazi dude, what are you doing; bloody Europeans not knowing metrics.

[Helgoland]

I don't think anyone deserves to die. I wouldn't execute Hitler. Rather, life in prison is sensible but they should have the option to opt out if they'd prefer i.e. apply to be executed. A kind of euthanasia.

Obviously it's different if the criminal has actually harmed your family but I'm a firm believer in the notion that the last people who should legislate are victims' families.

Hitler is at least an order of magnitude above Kilonazi dude, what are you doing; bloody Europeans not knowing metrics.

We need a Nazimeter. Not a Nazi meter; that's just a regular meter as far as I know. Otherwise the industry of the Third Reich would have had more problems.

[Frumple]

Nazometer would be the word you're looking for.

[Helgoland]

You kinda need the 'i' in there - we could, of course, go for the long version: "Nationalsozialistenmessapparat"

[LordSlowpoke]

i vote we use helgoland as the base of nazi measurement at 1.488 zeptonazis, then find out what helgo is made out of and derive people's nazi out of a simple formula instead of studying them with specialist meters

[XXSockXX]

Of course in German TV, we have had a Nazometer already.