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Owlbread

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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #405 on: March 01, 2013, 04:08:45 pm »

I don't think you want to break up the USA because you're Scottish, I think you want to always insert separatism into politics, no matter how irrationally, because you've become enamored with it in your personal life. You yourself have stated before you think Balkanizing large nations is a good thing.

I still do because it leads to greater integration within multinational unions, it's still not what I was getting at here though. I also won't reject your psychoanalysis, though it is a bit unexpected - I admit that an interest in separatism ("enamoured" is a bit of a loaded word that makes me sound like a wacko when my views on nationalism and separatism are no stranger than your liberalism) has played a big part in attracting me to certain issues in geopolitics and politics on national levels. It doesn't mean, however, that I was trying to shoehorn separatism into this debate, rather that I thought there are some elements of it that could be applied here that might actually be helpful. In retrospect, they don't seem to have been very helpful. That doesn't mean though that if I was trying to sell the idea of Socialism to black americans in a slum in Detroit I still wouldn't maybe have some flashy wall murals of Black Panther Party members in red berets holding hands with Cuban soldiers and white American miners. Or... I'd at least try it. See how it would be received. Still, I have to warn you that if we start psychoanalysing one another that's a surefire way to start an argument rather than a debate, seeing as things would get personal. That's why I try to avoid doing it.


Us "radicals" have it hard around here :(

I don't really see the problem with self governance. Honestly, barring the installation of a fascist dictatorship, I don't think one could make the Detroit government any worse. Self sustaining socialist communes in Detroit are fine by me.

It's alright, there wouldn't be any debate if we didn't have radicalism. If we're radicals of any ideology we're going to have it hard anywhere. To be honest I'd actually like to see a real die-hard, tea party republican in this thread so we could have some interesting discussion. Provided we wouldn't flame one another of course.

That was one way I thought Socialism could be introduced to the USA. One idea that I am actually "enamoured" with is the idea of Socialist communes and collective farms. Not necessarily the enforced collectivisation of agriculture (that just leads to stuff like the worst famines of the 20th century), but voluntary collectives.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #406 on: March 01, 2013, 04:25:54 pm »

By the way, these are some pretty bloody strong knee jerk reactions we've had here. I've seen fonts of varying sizes, "no no no no", accusations of wanting to break up the USA because I'm Scottish (pesky Scots with their agendas)... jesus christ I'm just speaking about a hypothetical situation from a political, amoral perspective.
I don't think you want to break up the USA because you're Scottish, I think you want to always insert separatism into politics, no matter how irrationally, because you've become enamored with it in your personal life. You yourself have stated before you think Balkanizing large nations is a good thing.
Admittedly, I'm not totally against Balkanizing the United States at times. I'm still totally down with the People's Republic of the Carolinas.....once we clear out those pesky South Carolinians.

Lebensraum, y'all.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #407 on: March 01, 2013, 04:32:31 pm »

Admittedly, I'm not totally against Balkanizing the United States at times. I'm still totally down with the People's Republic of the Carolinas.....once we clear out those pesky South Carolinians.

Lebensraum, y'all.

The United Socialist Southern Republics. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, League of the South. Or... put it under your tongue or chew it or whatever you're supposed to do with that brown cancer-inducing substance.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #408 on: March 01, 2013, 04:33:46 pm »

By the way, these are some pretty bloody strong knee jerk reactions we've had here. I've seen fonts of varying sizes, "no no no no", accusations of wanting to break up the USA because I'm Scottish (pesky Scots with their agendas)... jesus christ I'm just speaking about a hypothetical situation from a political, amoral perspective.
I don't think you want to break up the USA because you're Scottish, I think you want to always insert separatism into politics, no matter how irrationally, because you've become enamored with it in your personal life. You yourself have stated before you think Balkanizing large nations is a good thing.
Admittedly, I'm not totally against Balkanizing the United States at times. I'm still totally down with the People's Republic of the Carolinas.....once we clear out those pesky South Carolinians.

Lebensraum, y'all.
That's different. South Carolina rightfully belongs to us anyway.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #409 on: March 01, 2013, 04:40:15 pm »

By the way, these are some pretty bloody strong knee jerk reactions we've had here. I've seen fonts of varying sizes, "no no no no", accusations of wanting to break up the USA because I'm Scottish (pesky Scots with their agendas)... jesus christ I'm just speaking about a hypothetical situation from a political, amoral perspective.
I don't think you want to break up the USA because you're Scottish, I think you want to always insert separatism into politics, no matter how irrationally, because you've become enamored with it in your personal life. You yourself have stated before you think Balkanizing large nations is a good thing.
Admittedly, I'm not totally against Balkanizing the United States at times. I'm still totally down with the People's Republic of the Carolinas.....once we clear out those pesky South Carolinians.

Lebensraum, y'all.
That's different. South Carolina rightfully belongs to us anyway.
Charleston shall be our Danzig. When they refuse to give up all the coastline between Wilmington and Charleston, we shall attack. Perhaps we should form some kind of treaty with Georgia, left them have the Upcountry and western portions. Cause really....who the fuck wants Spartanburg?  :P
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #410 on: March 01, 2013, 04:41:08 pm »

Pretty sure that "rightfully belongs to us" was an argument used by the Germans about Austria... :P

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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #411 on: March 01, 2013, 04:43:26 pm »

Charleston shall be our Danzig. When they refuse to give up all the coastline between Wilmington and Charleston, we shall attack. Perhaps we should form some kind of treaty with Georgia, left them have the Upcountry and western portions. Cause really....who the fuck wants Spartanburg?  :P
Nah, we can at least use them to hold all of our dangerous polluting industry where nobody has enough lobbying power to stop us.

We should give Florida to Georgia instead. They don't believe in global warming, so they won't suspect they're getting the short end of the stick until it sinks beneath the waves a couple decades from now. Just as planned.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #412 on: March 01, 2013, 04:45:37 pm »

Umm....last time I checked *we* made global warming illegal. Perhaps we can declare war on the ocean when Ocracoke slides beneath the waves.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #413 on: March 01, 2013, 04:46:57 pm »

Perhaps Maine, New Brunswick and parts of Nova Scotia could form an Acadian Union with Louisiana and compete with you for power.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #414 on: March 01, 2013, 04:51:16 pm »

Perhaps Maine, New Brunswick and parts of Nova Scotia could form an Acadian Union with Louisiana and compete with you for power.
Nah, our likely rivals would either be the Government Zone (DC, Maryland, Northern Virginia, with a strip connecting it to Norfolk and their unrivalled naval power) or the New Confederate States (Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, maybe Tennessee...hard to imagine a proper NCS without Nashville to provide a soundtrack). Texas would be in an uneasy alliance with the NCS, but always kind of threatening to devour it.

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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #415 on: March 01, 2013, 04:51:55 pm »

Umm....last time I checked *we* made global warming illegal. Perhaps we can declare war on the ocean when Ocracoke slides beneath the waves.
You say that like this is going to be a democracy where we won't personally exile the denialist politicians to abandoned oil platforms surrounded by schools of genetically-enhanced flying vampire squid.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Election Boogaloo
« Reply #416 on: March 01, 2013, 04:54:46 pm »

Umm....last time I checked *we* made global warming illegal. Perhaps we can declare war on the ocean when Ocracoke slides beneath the waves.
You say that like this is going to be a democracy where we won't personally exile the denialist politicians to abandoned oil platforms surrounded by schools of genetically-enhanced flying vampire squid.

...I like the cut of your jib, young man.
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« Reply #417 on: March 01, 2013, 04:57:34 pm »

Surely the politics of the Carolinas mean though that you'd need to install a totalitarian dictatorship with yourselves at the helm, using robots as enforcers - otherwise you've got a rebellion on your hands.
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« Reply #418 on: March 01, 2013, 04:59:05 pm »

And we have RTP to help design the enforcer bots! Win-win, we establish law and order *and* create jobs! There's no way the Republicans can argue against that!!  :P
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« Reply #419 on: March 01, 2013, 05:03:52 pm »

And if they do, it's to the squid!

....Can squid make a "skreee!" sound when they jump out of the water? If not, we should get someone on that. They need to be as terrifying as they are deadly.
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