Are you really telling me you can't find Mict's sources? He directly quoted from the articles, so you can just paste a paragraph into Google and it will immediately come up with the HSPH article, which properly cites every study it draws from.
Yeah, I'm really telling you so. He didn't directly quote from the articles at all. Here's where he got all the stuff from:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/For Self-Defense and Gun Policy, I copy and pasted each article as it was referenced in his post, authors included, into Google. If that didn't work, I copied only the article title, its publication and its date into Google. That helped in a single case. If that didn't work, then I'm going to go with Burden of Proof is on him to supply the articles.
Otherwise I can just go:
Our study confirmed that gun bans are bad and shouldn't be done.
Jibberjabber, Jim. Gun Bans Are Bad. Duke University, 2000.
Or at least something like that. It's as useful as the stuff he posted. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying that I need to look into them because the ones I was able to look into had issues (that I explained why they were issues) so I can't trust any of them at their word alone. After searching for 15-20 articles and finding only a handful, I gave up looking for the Homicide and Women section articles. I agreed with a lot of things on the Suicide section so a lot of it I didn't even both looking because I was so frustrated trying to dig through the internet to find it. Each Google search turned up that site, this thread (probably due to analytics), and then page after agonizing page of references and debate about it, but not the actual article. If the opposition cannot access or review proposed evidence then it shouldn't be used at all; that's Burden of Proof. Also, you shouldn't force the opposition to look for your evidence either. I spent most of
six hours looking, reading what I could find, analyzing, dissecting, making graphs and posting my findings. That's
way more time and effort than it would have taken if I had readily available access to those articles.
@Gun Ownership and stuff,
I actually produced a graph with
Guns per 100 people versus
Firearm-Related Homicides per 100k people. If you take all the countries with available data, you find a negative slope. If you take away Africa, South America, the Middle East and Asia, you find that there is actually a positive slope. However, if you take out the US (because it is both an outlier in terms of homicides and guns per 100 people), you get a much smaller positive slope and cannot determine that there is any real relationship going by the Rē value. I'm not posting it because I made the graph like 5-6 years ago, looked for more data now, found out a bunch of stuff had changed, so now I need to go find where they got all of the values from because I believe they have more countries in the sources. I believe I found some CIA World Book reports that had the necessary info. Need to do more digging.
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