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Author Topic: Witcher III - It's a thing.  (Read 26306 times)

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Re: Witcher III - It's a thing.
« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2015, 10:42:27 am »

You can attack normally or lock on. Up to you. There's a button to lock on.

You can (and will) dodge or roll all over the place. There's different buttons for dodging and rolling as well as you can choose whatever direction you want. Rolling stops your stamina from recovering during the period but covers more distance. Dodging lets you merely move out of the way or circle an opponent.

Combat is hard as balls especially on higher difficulties. These enemies don't believe in the Batman or Assassin's Creed style of ganging up where everyone basically queues up to die to you. Here they gang up on you mercilessly, and if you get surrounded you're gonna get boned. The enemies also love to dodge / parry your attacks.

You have a fast attack and a strong attack. You can combo between these as you want. You also have a crossbow which can either manual slow aim by holding down the button or autoattack quickly by tapping it. Then you have your dozens of potions and your dozens of bombs and your dozens of oils. And also your spells (signs) which rely on your stamina to work.

Then there's the adrenaline system. Basically the more you attack and the less you get hit, the more damage you will do.

There's also mounted combat. Basically just charging around on your horse decapitating people.

There's underwater combat. It sucks ass. All you can use is your crossbow.

If I were to choose a similar style, it's like Shadows of Mordor but the enemies are meaner and love to dogpile you.

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« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2015, 10:50:21 am »

Aha, so its more automated combat where you lock and less like other games like skyrim or mount and blade where you are free to fight how you want. Its more "scripted" and automated (like Shadows of Mordor )
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« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2015, 11:46:20 am »

I'd say it feels more like Dark Souls. More fluid than Skyrim, but not as fluid as Shadow of Mordor.
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« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2015, 02:31:34 pm »

So many people I know say 'oh, I need to upgrade my graphics card before I can play X' just because the game company have put the newest AMD as their recommended one, and the second newest as their minimum.
Sorry, but this is just nonsense. While it`s no big mystery that devs and hardware folks often cooperate - for better or worse - this example is too extreme. Setting minimum specs at some "second newest" fantasy level would hurt sales badly plus it`d be found out by benchmarkers immediately bringing more bad press to deal with(pretending that downgrades don`t exist is enough I suppose).

You said it was nonsense, and then went on to validate what I said...
Admittedly, my 'second newest' example was over-exaggerating, but only to make the point that as long as your standards aren't too high, a standard rig (as long as it's got a dedicated Graphics Card) can play mostly anything. As you said, it's all subjective - I personally am fine with anything which is solidly 30fps or above, for some that may be way to low, but if it is then they should definitely take the 'beggars can't be choosers' adage to heart till they can afford a better rig.

Really, my main point was just that the given specs should be taken with a cartful of salt - they're not hard limits, and as long as you're willing to sacrifice some graphical fidelity then it's possible to play on something a lot worse than minimum specs.
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« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2015, 06:07:52 pm »

I overclocked my GTX 970 a bit and now instead of mostly ultra @ 55 - 60fps I'm playing on ultra at 70fps.

Also I distinctly remember overclocking used to be a lot harder with the bios and stuff. Now I just move sliders around? Goddamn!

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« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2015, 05:33:24 am »

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*Looks at my measly 30 fps* :'(
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« Reply #66 on: May 23, 2015, 06:39:06 am »

You said it was nonsense, and then went on to validate what I said...
No, I didn`t validate your original claim that GPU manufacturers conspire with the devs to sell more hardware by lying about minimum specs.

I agree with the revised version - of course, it`s possible to play the game at the minimum specs or maybe even below. But this is similar to watching Interstellar on your smartphone...yes, you can, but it is maybe not the best choice.

But the tech quibbles aside, my main problem with gfx is that its quality (on monster rigs and in screenshots/videos :P) seems to cloud people`s judgement when it comes to the thing that really counts - the gameplay. The gfx and the "need to believe" in some sort of cRPG Holy Grail that this game has become.

I haven`t played it yet but reading around reveals slew of serious problems - with wonky movement and forced animations being the major ones. I find it hard to believe, but it was repeated by others - extremely lame system that might make things more cinematic but messes up the fundamental thing which is character control. Combat quality also has been questioned, and again I`m inclined to believe since it was always a weak point.

Then you have the usual claims about how "mature" this game is supposed to be...sure, the writing and general mood might be above par, as is the source material when it comes to fantasy, but that is marred by the tedious oversexualization. I`m not some pearl clutcher and I don`t mind a romance option in a game (in fact it was the highlight of otherwise terrible DA:O) but Witcher, please. Tits and ass everywhere (are the collectable cards still a thing btw?) is about as "mature" as bunch of horny 15 years olds giggling over a lad mag - no disrespect to them, lol, but it`s rather annoying in this case. Especially with "serious" sources rationalizing away.

Overall, the Polygon might just be right with their 8. Which will of course be an anathema to the scores of fanboys who want 11 out of 10. Even though 8 still means "pretty good".

But for me the biggest problem is the fact that the game hailed as the best ever/crowning achievement/paragon/etc in the genre in year 2015 is so hopelessly old school. Take away the gfx and we`re back in 1995 or earlier. Not a bad thing in itself but when you look around the AAA scene...where are the true "living &breathing" worlds, amazing AI, emergent gameplay instead of tired scripts? Big fat nope...and scanning the horizon yields nothing either.
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« Reply #67 on: May 23, 2015, 07:20:52 am »

The cards were scrapped after Witcher 1 because they were considered too "childish" W2 went for (not collectible) softcore porn cutscenes instead and i imagine it's the same in W3.


EDIT: Oh god he's actually complaining about sexism and lack f non whites in the witcher universe.
I doubt women in the dark ages were treated much better than in the witcher. I can agree with oversexualization but... no non white people... i don't think there are any non white people in the source material. I might be wrong but from what i remember everyone in the witcher universe is pretty much white as the setting is pretty much medieval europe.

The very source material is both sexist and racist.
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« Reply #68 on: May 23, 2015, 09:01:46 am »

I doubt women in the dark ages were treated much better than in the witcher.
You'd be surprised.
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« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2015, 09:08:54 am »

I doubt women in the dark ages were treated much better than in the witcher.
You'd be surprised.
True. They were probably treated much worse.
After all those were the times the Quran was in the lead when it came to womens rights.
And let's not forget that it wasn't uncommon for a family back then to have 6+ kids so ladies were expected to give birth like machineguns.
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« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2015, 11:19:36 am »

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*Looks at my measly 30 fps* :'(
Eh don't worry. Honestly speaking the amount of money I paid to get this is not worth these incremental gains.

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« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2015, 03:54:57 pm »

And let's not forget that it wasn't uncommon for a family back then to have 6+ kids so ladies were expected to give birth like machineguns.

And all that with high infant mortality rates.
Add to that the fact that there's warriors going around who can practically do anything, depending on their commander and you've got what you see in Witcher and then some...
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« Reply #72 on: May 23, 2015, 04:30:50 pm »

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No. Just no. First of all, most of those 'glaring flaws' are nitpicks, gross exaggerations, or just plain dumb. The only complaints that I feel as remotely valid (you know, as someone who's played the game) is the out-of-combat movement, which is imprecise. My experience with the actual combat had been really smooth, once I learned it (which is true for every Witcher game), the animations flow nicely together, and the new dodge makes you way more nimble, able to dodge out of blows, even while you're doing something else. I've never once felt 'trapped' by the animations. As for the loading times, again it might be console, but on PC it's quick, if you skip the narration (using an SSD); which is surprising, considering there is not a single loading screen to be found anywhere, and I've only seen the 'cut to black' in one conversation. Finally, as for the lore, I've only played Witcher 2, never read the books, and I've had no trouble understanding the lore. Sure, there are some references to things I haven't heard of, but that's to be expected from any franchise with that much lore behind it, and the game does a brilliant job of immersing you in the world, despite that.

I could go on about that click-bait article. I needn't say anything about the other article, since it's from Polygon, who have already stated their biases. Frankly, I would suggest that; before you go on a rant about how terrible this game is, based off two negative articles of dubious repute; you actually play the game first. If you don't want to but the game, fine, it's your own choice, but don't go off spouting bullshit without knowing what you're talking about. As someone who does, I can say that I am greatly enjoying this game, for reasons like the ones I have stated earlier. The tits and arse are completely optional, and it has by far some of the most mature storytelling I've seen, both in gaming and in literature, that goes far beyond just swears, gore, and fanservice.

About the dark ages, it depends on where you're at, and when exactly. Nothing is comparable to today, of course, but women generally had more rights than it is popularly believed, especially in Scandiniavia. They didn't inherit titles, but they did hold a lot of sway in the household, and had quite a lot of power, in their own way. Generally speaking, they weren't abused, and though marriages were usually arranged, it was generally a good idea that both parties actually liked eachother, especially among the commonfolk, and the high birthrates were due to the large infant mortality rate more than anything, something which can also be seen in modern Africa. In war, of course, all bets were off, and you get what happens in the game. It's a pretty complex subject, and it's hard to say that they were treated horribly, but rather differently. The culture and values then are far removed from our own, practically alien, and we can't really see things from their perspective. Back on topic, I'd say the way they're treated in the Witcher is rather believable; neither horrible nor idyllic, just different, and mired in the usual horrors of war.
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« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2015, 03:07:40 am »

Edited grass/tree settings to be lower in ini.

Postproccessing to low (but SSAO is on, DOF is on and that chromatic thing is on)
Video settings set to high, only thing changed is hairworks is off

In cities and intensive areas, 29 (rare) to 36 FPS
In forests, and not so intensive areas 31 to 48 FPS

I get better FPS than my modded Skyrim lol. And better FPS than DayZ and any other graphical game I have. And game looks amazing, especially the characters.

My system is below the minimum too (or just on par)

Windows 7 64bit
i5 660 CPU 3.3 Ghz (does not meet minimum)
8gig DDR3 ram (its older ram though when I got the CPU)
Geforce GTX 660 2GB, factory overclocked
1920x1080 native resolution
No SSD drive

Surprised it plays so well. On high+ssao, with just tweaking grass/trees.
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« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2015, 03:20:22 am »

ROFL. So...my GOG copy gets less FPS than my mighty seas copy. Same grass/tree settings in ini, same in-game settings and less FPS. Same exact patch version (1.03) and instead of my 30+ fps with the rare 29 FPS drop (which goes back up after a second). I get 21-24 FPS average in towns/cities. Funny. Both versions look the same.

Oh well, at least I paid for it.
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