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[miauw62]

Me and Sky used the no evo mod on our multiplayer game and it just ended up stopping evo completely at 14%, no matter how much pollution we made.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Procured a source of rock by extending my reach waay east and setting up a mining post on an outcropping, connecting all the way back via conveyor belt.

At this point in time, unless really long distances end up being involved, I'm not sure I'm seeing the benefits of trains, especially in regards to setup difficulty and maintenance.

Killed a few more nests at the edge of my pollution cloud. Spitter defenses turned out to be unreasonably accurate and powerful - there seems to be no way to hit&run them with just a car and AP bullets.

[Glloyd]

Procured a source of rock by extending my reach waay east and setting up a mining post on an outcropping, connecting all the way back via conveyor belt.

At this point in time, unless really long distances end up being involved, I'm not sure I'm seeing the benefits of trains, especially in regards to setup difficulty and maintenance.

Killed a few more nests at the edge of my pollution cloud. Spitter defenses turned out to be unreasonably accurate and powerful - there seems to be no way to hit&run them with just a car and AP bullets.

Play with RSO. It makes resource distribution much more interesting and adds some purpose to trains.

[BigD145]

Procured a source of rock by extending my reach waay east and setting up a mining post on an outcropping, connecting all the way back via conveyor belt.

At this point in time, unless really long distances end up being involved, I'm not sure I'm seeing the benefits of trains, especially in regards to setup difficulty and maintenance.

Killed a few more nests at the edge of my pollution cloud. Spitter defenses turned out to be unreasonably accurate and powerful - there seems to be no way to hit&run them with just a car and AP bullets.

Accurate? They home in on you.

[Glloyd]

Yeah, which can be silly as fuck when you're playing with the airplane mods. You'll be flying around and the spit will follow you to the ends of the earth, speeding up at some point to catch you.

[BigD145]

Yeah, which can be silly as fuck when you're playing with the airplane mods. You'll be flying around and the spit will follow you to the ends of the earth, speeding up at some point to catch you.

Super alien technology.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Super-alien spit technology.

I think I'm going to try out RSO. Seems like exactly the sort of thing I need. I wouldn't mind some way to automate (or rather, queue up) choosing research projects, either.

edit: I watched a few videos of people playing Factorio on Youtube, even experienced people, and it just baffles me that I haven't seen anybody use the "self-feeding coal mine" to kickstart coal production or feed early powerplants. It's just a burner drill coupled with a burner inserter that feeds itself and the drill off a small rightward conveyor loop that the drill dumps coal onto. It chains well, needs one piece of coal to start up, and doesn't stop until the mine is dry. Have I just been watching the wrong people?

[Empty]

Did not know burner inserter also fuels itself with what it picks up.

Interesting.

[BigD145]

Super-alien spit technology.

I think I'm going to try out RSO. Seems like exactly the sort of thing I need. I wouldn't mind some way to automate (or rather, queue up) choosing research projects, either.

edit: I watched a few videos of people playing Factorio on Youtube, even experienced people, and it just baffles me that I haven't seen anybody use the "self-feeding coal mine" to kickstart coal production or feed early powerplants. It's just a burner drill coupled with a burner inserter that feeds itself and the drill off a small rightward conveyor loop that the drill dumps coal onto. It chains well, needs one piece of coal to start up, and doesn't stop until the mine is dry. Have I just been watching the wrong people?

It's ultimately rather inefficient use of power. The burner inserter uses more power than a regular inserter. The efficient coal mine is four coal mines pointed at each other, or at least two.

[Djohaal]

I prefer the amplifier layout. A line of 3-5 drills in tandem, one coal in the first means many of coal in the last.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I've started thinking of Factorio setups in my idle time. I suppose that's not a good sign.

I also suppose using train cargo wagons as a key component of a multi-lane sorting/splitting mechanism is not exactly a new idea.

I.e. with each inserter being able to move 3 items container to container, a single wagon has enough spaces (sitting horizontal) to have 4 fast inserters on input, and 12 smart inserters on output, effectively filling up 6 output lanes. You also need 12 fast inserters on input to what the 4 fast inserters are taking from, which... can be two more cargo wagons, sitting perpendicular to the first one. Side-by-side they have just enough neighboring tiles to fit 12 inserters (they are 5 tall and 4 wide together, with one 4 side taken up by output, and one tile on the bottom will have to have the belt being used by one of the outputs on the horizontal wagon).

I have no idea how useful this could actually be, but hey. Maybe for offloading actual mixed-load trains.

[Empty]

I've always found it a pain to match where the inserters are to where the train will be.
At least the old version I used to play.

Used to overshoot the fuel inserter a few times causing it to enter the storage carts.
Has this been changed?

[Sean Mirrsen]

Seems pretty consistent now, from my experience. Always stops in the same place, so just make note of where the train stops at the station and line up the inserters for that.

Could be different for excessively big trains, I dunno.

[andrewas]

8 tiles for the loco, then its 7,7,8,7,7 8,7,7,7,8,7,7,8... tiles for each wagon, off the top of my head and only for horizontal stations. And the eighth inserter may or may not connect because the hitbox is slightly larger for wagons with a connected wagon, I know the third wagon only has eight inserters if a fourth wagon is present, not sure on wagons 6, 10 or 13.

In short, it's a mess and one of the best features of 0.13 will be the fixes to train lengths.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I seem to be in an interesting situation in this game...

Spoiler: Not /quite/ an island... (click to show/hide)

I have managed to fight through the aliens guarding the land bridge, but going further is going to be quite a challenge. Especially since I'm playing with RSO and most resources set to very rare but abundant.

I'm calling it the "Cape Canaveral Challenge" right now. Fit everything needed to make and launch a rocket on the peninsula, only ship raw resources in.