Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Sonlirain]

I'd say having everything researched is the endgame. A large part of your industry simply becomes redundant and all you can do is build extra defenses and expansions... if even that because with solar power and laser turrets you are completely self perpetuating and might as well leave the game.

Similar thing applies to sim city. Once you take up 100% of the map space all you can do at that point is relatively minor tweaks.

[Graknorke]

So are there any practical benefits to using solid fuel over coal? I have the opportunity currently to switch over my fuel source for at least a few things, but I'm not sure it's really practical for anything other than for emergency power (you can stuff a load of it in a crate) or for transporting on trains to somewhere far away.

[Mini]

Coal runs out, while oil (and therefore soild fuel) is infinite.

[n9103]

Infinite, albeit very slow to generate.
But there's also the need for coal for plastic generation, making the limited source of coal more significant.
With SF's energy density, it becomes more reasonable to fuel large steam farms if you've got the supply.
I find it most useful in fueling the trains, rather than just transporting it to distant bases (which are usually better served with local fuel sources anyway). A fully fueled engine would take several hours without refueling to burn through all three stacks of SF. With coal, you may have less than an hour depending on how long the route is. So that would equal greater dependability/less babysitting.

[The13thRonin]

It's the other way around for me. An endgame in a game like Factorio is something to actively avoid.

I don't mind it existing (assuming I can indeed avoid it), it's just something that will never come up for me in my games.

I think the majority of people who play these types of games would fall into this category.

Endgame != Game Over screen
It's more of a culminating achievement that defines completing the intended content.
"Here's your lasting achievement. You can stick around if you want, but you're already going to be remembered," basically.

Spoiler: Off Topic (click to show/hide)

Just taking couple moments to point out a couple things.
The examples used in the latest argument were rather poor examples in themselves for the most part.
Cities, Simcity, The Sims. All series titles. Some improvement in the early iterations, but quickly becomes a money grab with little innovation. 1st one is very innovative and quite interesting, if clunky and lacking at times. 2nd one tends to be a bit more interesting, with an improved interface, and a bit of innovation. 3rd one can be interesting, and has a generally very smooth interface, but it lacks innovation, building upon already established mechanics. ad nauseum.
With the exception of the Cities series, I've personally put dozens of hours into each of these. Cities felt like too much of a clone of SimTown that I didn't play for more than a couple hours, and only a few minutes on the last game, to confirm it still felt like that.

I haven't anything particularly bad to say about Banished or DF, partly because they're not sequels (Armok I doesn't count unless you're going to completely separate adventurer mode and the rest of DF,) and partly because they're either loaded with innovation (DF) or made a solid combination of other concepts (Banished).


All that aside, this started off (and still sounds like in some places) as someone's decision to complain about the developer's choice on how to make their game's content on a 3rd-party forums (despite at least one of his issues already being listed as "in progress" weeks, if not months, before now), while simultaneously dismissing the great amount of community content that's been added, and should more than address his complaint.

I'll apologize for not being tactful enough about my initial point, if you can apologize for acting entitled, overly defensive, and obtuse.

I have an opinion about a game. Considering this thread is about the aforementioned game I only have one thing to say to you regarding your feelings about my opinions...

Deal with it.

Also no apology necessary... I'm not offended over your comments, they do amuse me however, so thank you .

[Sensei]

Coal runs out, while oil (and therefore soild fuel) is infinite.

Oil does run out! I've learned the hard way.

Speaking of endgame stuff, I think it's nice to have some clear goal that terminates the game. Otherwise, you play until you get bored, and that involves, well, getting bored. For a lot of people, researching everything and having self-sustaining power and defenses is the end of the game: There really isn't much more to do after that point, is there? It wouldn't be bad to let the player end the game there, if they want, and get a pat on the back for it (EG watching your rocket fly into space). It also means you can "beat" challenge scenarios, which gives more of a purpose to those.

[Graknorke]

Oil never stops producing, it just slows down a lot. But if you use the occasional trickle intensively enough you could probably generate a little bit of useful fuel.

[LoSboccacc]

Coal runs out, while oil (and therefore soild fuel) is infinite.

unless you use my awesome endless resources mod!

endless resources! for when you want your resources be endless.

tired of rearranging all your mines when your resources end? endless resources!

the only mod that makes your resources endless


ahem


sorry couldn't resit I am watching public tv again

[Sirus]

Coal runs out, while oil (and therefore soild fuel) is infinite.

unless you use my awesome endless resources mod!

endless resources! for when you want your resources be endless.

tired of rearranging all your mines when your resources end? endless resources!

the only mod that makes your resources endless


ahem


sorry couldn't resit I am watching public tv again

Link, please?

[n9103]

Oil never stops producing, it just slows down a lot. But if you use the occasional trickle intensively enough you could probably generate a little bit of useful fuel.

And there's my biggest use of trains.
Shipping in barrels of oil, both from normal production level wells, as well as depleted wells.
If you've got one train servicing a whole bunch of outposts of depleted wells, you can still end up back at the base with a wagon full of barrels. I typically transition outposts from a dedicated train onto the trickle train about when most of the wells at a stop go under .5/s. The trickle-line usually has the maximum time between stations to decrease the fuel overhead. With the time at maximum, it's easy enough to decrease the wait times when your chain of stops gets too long to fully load the last stop.

10 depleted wells with speed module 1s (or even without most of the time) is easily enough to supply most any train line with fuel and anything over the fuel cost is extra oil for plastics.


ninjedit: http://www.factorioforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3130

[forsaken1111]

I decided to give this game a try again. I played it a while back and it wasn't quite at my interest threshold yet. It's looking very nice now though. I'm still doing most of my transport with various convoluted belts and lines. I've just researched some robotics stuff though. How useful are the logistics robots? Can you use them to run a base without transport belts?

Coal runs out, while oil (and therefore soild fuel) is infinite.

unless you use my awesome endless resources mod!

endless resources! for when you want your resources be endless.

tired of rearranging all your mines when your resources end? endless resources!

the only mod that makes your resources endless


ahem


sorry couldn't resit I am watching public tv again

I'd much prefer a mod that adds in some kind of 'deep core drill' or something which took more power to operate but provided a slow-but-infinite source of material. The catch would be that the output is randomized and you get coal, iron, copper and stone all coming out and you have to sort it.

[andrewas]

You'd need a ton of logistic bots to replace belts for bulk materials, but they are excellent for compensating for flaws in your belt network. If you need to bring high tier items together but didn't allow for that earlier on, logistics bits are an answer.

[forsaken1111]

You'd need a ton of logistic bots to replace belts for bulk materials, but they are excellent for compensating for flaws in your belt network. If you need to bring high tier items together but didn't allow for that earlier on, logistics bits are an answer.

Hm. So they're good for transporting low-volume goods to tricky spots but not a good replacement for bulk transport? Is there a better solution for bulk transport than belts? I mean belts are fine, they're just a pain in the ass sometimes.

[kovarex]

Yes, trains.

[forsaken1111]

Yes, trains.

Fair enough. I haven't played with trains yet.