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Uronym

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What is the speed of well buckets?
« on: January 31, 2013, 12:44:25 pm »

That is; how fast does a well's bucket descend/ascend when a dwarf is getting water from it?

Currently, my fortress's only water source is a cavern, 50 stories below the fortress itself. We also have a lot of sick and injured people. So, I need water, but...

I want to know if the bucket's descent by well is faster than dwarves running up/down 50 stories of stairs. If so, I would dig a shaft down to the cavern lake and the dwarves would lower/raise the bucket to get the water they need. I could even stack multiple wells above/below each other for additional capacity and install a safe reservoir at the bottom to keep cavern creatures out!

I could not find the information I need on the wiki, though; not on the Well page and not on the Well Guide. Would be nice if someone could tell me/do some !!SCIENCE!!
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 01:00:20 pm »

As far as I know, it's instantaneous. The dwarf just has to lower and raise the bucket, which counts as two actions.
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 01:23:20 pm »

why not watch it? pause the game when the dwarf uses it then press the . (period) to increment time 1 tick at a time so you can tell how many levels it moves per tick as it will show the bucket moving down

you could designate a small zone as a pit/pond over a channeled area for your dwarves to fill so you'll have water closer to your fort if it bothers you. if it stagnates: just move it through a screw pump to make it fresh, as far as i know it doesn't even require to be moved into a new pit. tip: each zone you set is another dwarf carrying a bucket of water which is important as water will evaporate if it's 1/7 or 2/7

i use small pits inside my fort of 3/7 so my dwarves get baths regularly which gives happy thoughts and keeps poison dust/stuff off :P
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2013, 01:29:51 pm »

As far as I know, it's instantaneous. The dwarf just has to lower and raise the bucket, which counts as two actions.

Nuh uh.  There's literally a bucket entity that gets lowered down into the water and comes back up.  I only just recently noticed and have no idea how long it's been a 'thing', though.
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2013, 01:35:02 pm »

why not watch it? pause the game when the dwarf uses it then press the . (period) to increment time 1 tick at a time so you can tell how many levels it moves per tick as it will show the bucket moving down

you could designate a small zone as a pit/pond over a channeled area for your dwarves to fill so you'll have water closer to your fort if it bothers you. if it stagnates: just move it through a screw pump to make it fresh, as far as i know it doesn't even require to be moved into a new pit. tip: each zone you set is another dwarf carrying a bucket of water which is important as water will evaporate if it's 1/7 or 2/7

i use small pits inside my fort of 3/7 so my dwarves get baths regularly which gives happy thoughts and keeps poison dust/stuff off :P

1. Don't have any fortresses to test this with right now; and my current fortress.. let's just say, it's not a good time for !!SCIENCE!!
2. Might try that, but I didn't really wanna make a reservoir and don't have extra dwarves for carrying water (it's dangerous & time consuming)
3. It would be nice to have documentation of this on the forums in case anyone else needs to know this

As far as I know, it's instantaneous. The dwarf just has to lower and raise the bucket, which counts as two actions.

Nuh uh.  There's literally a bucket entity that gets lowered down into the water and comes back up.  I only just recently noticed and have no idea how long it's been a 'thing', though.

As long as I've been playing (0.31.x), I've noticed this.
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 03:12:50 pm »

it isn't instantaneous, but much much faster than taking the stairs/
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2013, 08:25:23 pm »

Buckets are the fastest thing in the game! You should see the speed at which my dwarves kick them!
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2013, 11:16:45 pm »

Buckets descend and rise at 1 z-level per game-tick.  I had a fort whose only fresh-water source was in a cavern lake 93 z-levels below the surface, and I watched the buckets rise and fall through the shafts I dug.  This was in 31.12, but I doubt it has changed.
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2013, 02:11:53 am »

I want to see pipes added. I want to be able to pump stuff more than 1 z level at a time xD
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2013, 08:21:54 am »

I want to see pipes added. I want to be able to pump stuff more than 1 z level at a time xD
That would be wonderful. Especially if it allowed connection to pumps to shoot water up x number of z-levels instead of creating insane aqueduct/pump contraptions.
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2013, 08:41:44 am »

Or magma.

edit: Just imagine. Magma the blood of every healthy fortress, like electricity in real-life cities.
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2013, 12:50:41 pm »

Yeah, that would be a godsend. Even if you had to build pumps every ten levels or so it would still be a major improvement. I built one 100z level pumpstack to prove I could and I've been using Dfhack liquids for my magma positioning needs ever since.
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2013, 01:14:03 pm »

Buckets are the fastest thing in the game! You should see the speed at which my dwarves kick them!

That's the funniest thing I have read all morning. Bravo!
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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2013, 04:01:05 pm »

Been a long time since I built a well over 20 z-levels, but IIRC it's pretty long.

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Re: What is the speed of well buckets?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2013, 04:41:38 pm »

or just make it so you need more power depending on the z levels. And bigger pumps set up or something.
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