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[Darvi]

Hey, flurry of blows is an awesome ability!


... on a level 19 factotum who also takes sneak attack and sudden strike.

[Remuthra]

And heart whatever attack is ridiculous.

[Rolepgeek]

10d6 breath weapon damage. I don't actually know if it's ridiculous.

Also, 5d6+2 damage. 7d6+6 on a crit. All I have to do is move 20 feet. AND I get +3 to AC. I'm not designed for combat specifically, but it's nice, especially if we ever get to do a running battle.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Hey, flurry of blows is an awesome ability!
... on a level 19 factotum who also takes sneak attack and sudden strike.

They have plenty of useless abilities, too. Or virtually useless ones, at least. I've played plenty of monks in my younger years of gaming, and many of their abilities were almost/never used.

[Darvi]

Yeah. Really, Flurry of blows is the only one that is good. And their saves. The AC bonus would seem good if it wouldn't make them incredibly MAD.

[Rolepgeek]

I like monks. Shuriken of wounding+flurry of blows.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Yeah. Really, Flurry of blows is the only one that is good. And their saves. The AC bonus would seem good if it wouldn't make them incredibly MAD.

I actually find the monk's AC bonus to be quite useful. One build I've done a few times is a human monk with Vow of Poverty; between the VoP's AC bonus and some decent scores for Dexterity and Wisdom, I can get AC over 20 at 1st level. (I don't usually use this build for campaigns I expect to last for a while...)

[tryrar]

Especially since a lot of people(myself included) are against anything from Book of Exalted Deeds/Vile Darkness(horribly, horribly, broken stuff in there!)

[Darvi]

I'm not against it so much because it's broken, and more because, ew.

[GreatWyrmGold]

I'm not against it so much because it's broken, and more because, ew.

I assume that's more the BoVD than the BoED?

[Darvi]

Both, actually. The amount of hypocrisy in the BoED is nauseating.

[germaina]

I haven't seen much that is really broken in the BoED.  People constantly say VoP, but it really isn't.  You can get the same affects with magic items, often times sooner, and you get much more versatility.  Nothing like taking two feats at first level and shaping your entire build.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Both, actually. The amount of hypocrisy in the BoED is nauseating.

It captures many real-world religions quite well in that aspect.
...I'm trying to avoid saying which ones. All of them, most likely, but I'm not a theological scholar.

Please don't escalate this.

[germaina]

Darvi, I agree with you, if nothing else.  Just decided to move this to the OOC thread if any other conversations occur for clarification or debate.

(By this I mean from the overrun debate)

[Darvi]

Being ignored is one of my biggest pet peeves, right next to people who do pre-ins in forum games.



Also I'm pretty sure that, barring houserules, nat20's only guarantee success on attacks, not skill- or other checks.