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Xob Ludosmbax

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Re: I blame Dwarf Fortress for my poor typing skills
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2013, 07:54:09 am »

I took a typing class too.  Started at 30-40 WPM 100% accuracy.  Learning the "home row" technique, I dropped a bit at first, but by the end of the class, I was at 60 WPM at 100% accuracy (or 120 WPM 95% accuracy).  After a few years, I dropped back down to 30-40 WPM as my natural typing speed.  When programming, I don't think faster than that.  If your typing speed is a significant factor in your coding efficiency, you're doing something wrong. 

With that said, I have no RSI from typing, but I feel a few twinges in my wrist when I use the mouse incorrectly.  The home row technique is worth it, even if you end up "tweaking" it a bit in the long run to fit your typing style.  (I have my left pinky on ';'.  So sue me.) 

Also, when you're learning the home row technique, don't worry about speed at first.  It will come later.  I dropped to some pitiful speed for the first week (or two?).  But you know where every key is already, so you've done the hard part. 

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Re: I blame Dwarf Fortress for my poor typing skills
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2013, 08:09:15 am »

Cut teeth on old crappy MSDOS myself. When it came to editing things like config.sys and autoexec bat, I peferred console tricks, like

COPY CON config.sys
(Write out the contents of the file on the screen)
(Press F6)
*1 file copied

;)

Ah yes, been there, done that (when I only have the vital-system-files 5.25" floppy at hand, and not the useful-other-stuff one, frexample).  I bet you've also used a similar method to send CON on one machine to an LPTx: (or maybe COMx:) and 'come out' onto the other party of a parallel (or serial) connected pairing...



When it comes to fonts, I particularly like Gill.  When I'm making promotional materials for the printers/etc, that is, and not just editing in whatever default Sans/non-Sans the word processing software uses for things where content is primary and the style merely needs to be professional enough to not look stupid amongst the target audience.

I've used Comic Sans, and I think you'd appreciate its appropriateness, when emulating a "blackboard" on an internal training web-site, back in the earliest days of DHTML.  White text, black background, of course, and Comic just worked so well to convey that chalk-on-board experience.  (If I could have given it a texture, I would have.  And, thinking about it, I think I know of a way of doing it.  Without resorting to the heinous crime of rendering it as a static image.)  I don't think I'd have ever presumed to have used it on anything external, but that's just because not everyone would have had it.  (Presumptions about the various capabilities of the user's machine is a lot easier when it's to the internal environment, where you already have had a say in the matter.)


(How did this thread get to the point of being geeky, like this?  Anyway, as long as everyone' happy with it.)

(Ah ninjaed by another typing message.  Good, a nicer mix of subject, albeit that my contribution to that part was a bit walloftexty.)
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Re: I blame Dwarf Fortress for my poor typing skills
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2013, 10:15:10 am »

At school we had to learn with Mavis beacon and some random viking themed one where the "New to typing" difficulty is "lljjlk  ljk lkjl jkjalj faf kajsk lfjl"... We used windows xp computers, in 2011... That's all we did; Typing, MS Word/Excel/publisher. They removed the web development part because "it was too hard"... Too hard to make a webpage saying "Hello world" in Microsoft frontpage... They removed the MS Database part because it was "too hard"... Type 4 entries in, make a form to show it. For a class called "IT" it was hardly helpful.

TL;DR ?
High School I.T. should be called "Microsoft office for dummies" 
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Re: I blame Dwarf Fortress for my poor typing skills
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2013, 10:39:18 am »

Yebbut, a "Hello World" web-page could simply look like:
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<HTML>
 <HEAD><TITLE>Hello World Page</TITLE></HEAD>
 <BODY>
  <H1>Hello World!</H1>
 </BODY>
</HTML>

(Which is actually more complicated than it need be, but also less strictly adherent to the standards than it might be.  Maybe Add a <!DOCTYPE...> of your choice to that, according to your choice of (X)HTML implementation.)

But, if done in Microsoft Word, it's going to have a whole load of

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<!--[if gte moso 9]><xml>
...
  <o:ChatractsWithSpaces>12</o:CharactersWithSpaces>
...
  <w:DontBreakConstrainedForcedTables/>
...
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="9" QGormat="true" Name="heading 4"/">
...
 table.MsoNormalTable
        {mso-style-name:"Table Normal";
        mos-tstyle-rowbband-size:0;"
....etc

...before getting
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<p class=MosoNormal>Hello World!</p>
...in the middle of some of a Section1 classed <div/>, there.  (Yup, I didn't qualify it for whatever the equivalent is to H1-like status, this time round, but I honestly don't care.)

Anyway: Urgh!
...Just "Urgh!"


(I know... Office doesn't know that what I feel to be important about the document's formatting, and what I don't care about and am happy to let the browser silently handle.  "Notepad" doesn't, either, though, and yet I can accomplish much more in far less bytes.  As if that matters any more.  But still, it's the principle of the thing.)
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Re: I blame Dwarf Fortress for my poor typing skills
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2013, 10:59:10 am »

-Lots of HTML-
That's why I stick to looking at web pages, not making them. Closer to the topic of the thread; Attempting to make it through typing/MS Office/'how to print stuff' class with Dyslexia and dyspraxia is about as much fun as 100 years of elephant siege, Hunt and peck 30 words per minute FTW!
If anything, DF has made common use of the X and Z keys!
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Re: I blame Dwarf Fortress for my poor typing skills
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2013, 11:55:54 am »

As per my earlier post: Excel is important, and can be useful just about anywhere. Public schools teaching Excel is a good thing.

MS Word used to be good (I'm talking about Word 6.0 or so), but has since grown into a vile abomination of unholy suck. I use Notepad++ for pretty much all my word-processing needs, and if I have anything that requires the use of Word then I'll type it into N++ beforehand and then just paste it into a blank docx.

Making Web pages with MS Word works, kind of, a lot like the way driving a car with nothing but your elbows "works". And every time someone uses Comic Sans with the Caps Lock on, a terrorist beats a hostage to death with their own pet kitten. Please: think of the kittens.
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Re: I blame Dwarf Fortress for my poor typing skills
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2013, 12:52:15 pm »

Would be a good thing, if they taught anything about the functions that you use in a simple workplace environment, New Zealand Schools FTW!!!!
Somehow-> $1m(nz) Sports hall > Replace 6 year old windows xp computers that take 10 minutes to start, that have 100000 viruses, that BSoD every few hours.

MS Word used to be good (I'm talking about Word 6.0 or so), but has since grown into a vile abomination of unholy suck. I use Notepad++ for pretty much all my word-processing needs, and if I have anything that requires the use of Word then I'll type it into N++ beforehand and then just paste it into a blank docx.
All through school we used Microsoft Office 2006, most workplaces would be using MS Office 2010/11/12/13, as useful as a legendary potash maker
Making Web pages with MS Word works, kind of, a lot like the way driving a car with nothing but your elbows "works".
Microsoft has a web dev program, frontpage, basically publisher that converts what you do on the page into HTML, useful for lazy HTML novices such as me.
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Re: I blame Dwarf Fortress for my poor typing skills
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2013, 01:13:13 pm »

[old man mode]

Be ye thankful, children.  I was doomed to "master" the dreaded Claris Works.  What's that children? You don't know what Claris Works is? Oh my, children, that's because it was only for old classic and early power macintoshes, back before OSX! Oh sure, they made a pitiful windows port to windows 3.11, but it was an even GREATER abomination! No! Apple stopped making it way back then too!  It's abandonware!

[/old man mode]

I agree about learning the VB functionality of excel, but then the educators would have to deal with smart alec children making a tetris clone, using Excel cells as the color blocks, and other silly things the teachers consider to be a waste of time, but actually teach kids about arrays, structs, and datatypes way more than their coursework.

As for the issues of "Derp! I canz throw teh ball! Can i makez touchdown? How I throw pass again?" trumping "You know, we REALLY need updated equipment in here that is actually configured to handle this many users safely, and not just using the default settings-- Can we secure some of the budget to get it?" (Because there *ARE* ways to make a windows install practically iron clad against student vandalism, and virus infections, but it requires actual effort on the part of the school's IT staff.)---- Think about it. Schools are seen as glorified daycare by many parents, who just want a place for their kids to be when they are both at work. That the school offers such wonderful activities as football (american) or soccer (football everywhere else), and that it makes their little sunshine FEEL GOOD about himself, because "He struggles so hard trying to do his studies" (Because he cant and wont learn to read), just makes them look the other way about the schools glaring inadequacies.  Like these afore mentioned "IT" classes, which teach NOTHING about proper system maintenance, (the GRUNTWORK of IT!) teach NOTHING about modular programming, (A QBASIC class would be better! And that's saying something!), teach NOTHING about network topologies or network deployments (OSI model?! WHATS THAT!? You mean my external IP address ISNT 127.0.0.1!? It works just fine for me!? What's a SUBNET!?), and dont even gloss over how a laser printer works, despite being a major part of the most retarded IT cert you can get! (A+ cert).

No. The schools placate the parents, who bring in additional funding through the extracurricular sports programs. The schools are doing what they do, because that is where the money is.  It really is that simple, and anything most schools say about scholastic excellence and academia being first priority is a flat out farce. That changes when you hit college though, because tuition is the primary source of a university's income. They want to get as many people into a classroom as possible, and that means actually teaching you something with some meat on it, and because there is no "From ON HIGH" imperative to ensure that Little Junior graduates, the university and its staff dont give two shakes about if you pass or fail or not. Only that you pay all your student fees.  Comeuppance for the sports jocks and cheerleaders. :D

[essentially, the public school system, at least in the US anyway, is only concerned with your scholastic achievements as long as you are passing. If you demonstrate spectacular abilities, they dont have nor want to invest the resources required to actually improve your understanding, and will actually treat you in an ADVERSARIAL fashion. They only want to satisfy the government mandated requirements about their curriculum, in order to get funding. This is why they focus so much on keeping you in your seat, and on ensuring that students that couldnt write their own names with a 2inch paintbrush get diplomas, by hook or by crook, while simultaneously neglecting core scholastic infrastructures in favor of extracurricular sports equipment and facilities. It is NOT about what is best for their students. It is 100% about what is best for THEM. This is why "IT" coursework is geared toward vegetables, so that EVERYONE can pass. Newsflash, not EVERYONE is a STEM discipline innate student, which REAL IT and computer science requires. (you know, as in the S, in STEM?) This is an example of "Hook or by crook" to get everyone to pass, while giving lipservice to satisfying a curriculum. In the long run, it causes far more harm than good, because it causes people in those schools to erroneously think that they can do what real programmers and IT staff do, and causes them to respect those skills less in others, while simultaneously making the world, overall in general, a worse off place, by causing people to improperly configure things, leave doors open for blackhat threats, and just overall make managing IT environments all that much worse.]

Whew.

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Re: I blame Dwarf Fortress for my poor typing skills
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2013, 02:55:37 pm »

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In all seriousness you're right.

I don't have any clue of what you're talking about. I don't even think my highschool had and IT class that taught us excel.

And yet I'm still planning on picking up a comp sci minor next fall.

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Re: I blame Dwarf Fortress for my poor typing skills
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2013, 03:16:25 pm »

IT == "Information Technology".

It is a catch-all term for anything even remotely related to computing, as applied to modern industry and economics.

"IT" covers everything from making sure the printer has toner in it, to finding an NP Complete solution to traveling salesman.

supporting a fleet of MSOffice users, specifically MSOffice users, by teaching people who to use MSOffice, and ONLY MSOffice, in highschool as an "IT" class, without covering *ANY* of the other areas that this category covers (Electrical engineering, software development, network tech and deployment, computer maintenance and repair, ... .... ...) is a farce, and gives an incorrect picture of what an IT specialist *IS*. (EG, it teaches people that "IT"== "Knows MSOffice.")

As I pointed out with my anecdote about Claris Works, MSOffice can, and may yet will, become a thing of the forgotten past, and an orphaned skillset.  Teaching somebody about structured program design, on the other hand, translates forever in whatever programming language they may later come to use. It is an ACTUAL core skill, like formal logic.

The school is NOT interested in teaching actual core skills. They are interested in warm bodies sitting in seats, doing the bare minimum, so that they can get paid.

It's that simple.
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« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2013, 09:02:24 pm »

I passed everything in Level Two IT because all it consisted of was : File management (teacher comes over, looks around your folders for 30 seconds and you pass), The ability to copy things onto a MS office program from a bit of paper and print it, KNOWING THE BASIC PARTS OF A COMPUTER(I.e. Mouse/keyboard NOTHING about ram, cpu, hdd.) Did the teachers notice that I finished first, no, because the two that taught most of the students ONLY knew the basics, I wrote a short VB script to make 1000 new pages (in their own window) the teacher saw the CODE and thought I was trying to hack the computer... A few lines of VB code....   

(NCEA is a weird 3 tier qualification system that New Zealand schools give out, you do stuff and get magic points for passing the work, if you get enough points in a year you pass that level !!! level two being done 12 years into schooling. You need level 3 to get into higher level university courses, where you only need level two for computer science.)


/Random rage over how stupid New Zealand NCEA is.

Wikipedia Agrees !
"The 2004 examination of the New Zealand Scholarship by the New Zealand Qualifications Authority was marred by controversy, most notably the irregular pass rates (e.g. 0.9% pass rate for Biology 2004). The head of the Authority later resigned over this and allied issues."
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Re: I blame Dwarf Fortress for my poor typing skills
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2013, 09:09:14 pm »

Well. Faxes are 100% secure.....
There is no such thing as 100% secure. There is no such thing as 100% secure. Anyone that has any interest in being anywhere near a computer needs to repeat this until it sinks in.

(I will admit that there is "highly unlikely to be broken in x * age of the universe, with current tech)
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