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[Maximiliator]

Hello fellow adventurers,

i am playing Genesis mod adventure mode. I vanquieshed various lasser foes and gathered a party of 8 warriors. The local lord now gave me the task to destroy the lamia in the local dungeon. My problem: i cannot find the dungeon! I walked all across the city, checked all the sewer entrances. If i go down into the sewers, after a couple of meters i find a wall. The water keeps flowing under it, but when i swim (adequate) under it, i drown after a couple of meters. Is seems like the way keeps dropping down... I also tried swimming into the sewers from the river. But the way is completely submerged and i drown again. I am sorry for cheating by reloading, but my hero shall not die by drowning. Its not a heroic death 

so, anyone had experiences with dungeons? The other thing is... everyone in this civ keeps talking about this quest only. I cannot get other quests until i resolve it.

I hope someone has an answer


greetings,


Max

[Pirate Bob]

Often the easiest way to get into the dungeon is from the keep/castle at the center of the city (where the lord is).  Usually there will be stairs or a hatch going down from the ground level in the keep, which lead to the dungeons. 

Once you get down there, finding your target is very difficult.  As far as I know there is no good way - just searching everywhere, which can get boring.  I believe it's also very possible that your target could be inaccessible due to water, but that's just based on what I've read on the forums, I haven't experienced it myself.  To be honest, I usually don't accept quests to hunt people in the dungeons as its too hard to find them.  If it was me I'd just move on to another civ or ask these guys about "surroundings" until they tell you where more targets are.  But maybe you can get lucky and find your target?

One other thing - I believe the map of the dungeons disappears over time, at a speed which depends on your character's "memory" attribute.  It is therefore very easy to get lost down there.  It is recommended to leave some kind of "markers" (drop small worthless items, like coins) or otherwise make sure you can find your way out without the map.  Then again, the map may last a long time so long as you didn't set your memory to "very low" - I'm not sure.  It's best to be careful regardless. 

Edit: You might also want to look a few down at this post.  It seems you are not alone with having trouble with the sewers, and this thread confirms what I was saying about the targets often being inaccessible.  I guess you can cancel the quest if you kill the lord who gave it to you, but that will almost certainly make you an enemy of the civilization...

[Maximiliator]

okay, thank you, i have found the dungeon. Since i am relativly new to adventure mode, i am not yet bored by all the gonlins and bandits down there. The problem i am having now:

I cant seem to find anything better than copper. The city i am in sells copper and tin everywhere, but no iron/bronze/steel.

Any suggestions?

[Trif]

Civilizations use metals that they can find in their surroundings. If the city you're in didn't find any good metals, you will have to look for better weapons and armor in other regions. It helps to have a good look at the equipment of bandits, they rob all sorts of people, so you're more likely to find a few pieces of iron or bronze there.
Maybe a different city will be richer. Travel around a bit, you'll either find something nice or have Fun.

And regarding steel: if you're a human, you won't find anything better than iron or bronze. Only dwarfs know the secret of steel production, and they only make dwarf-sized armor.

[Maximiliator]

i am a dwarf right now. i own a blood-steel axe from the beginning. my armor is mostly copper and cobalt, with some iron pieces.

where can i place cobalt regarding protection?

Where am i most likely to find steel in my travels?

Are there mountain halls implemented in Genesis mod (which i am using currently) ?

Thanks for your answers


Update: I searched through the dungeon and i find it HUGE. its a maze... but i cannot find my quest target yet. Also, all the mobs seem to respawn. It is good training for my hero though. He is High-Master fighter already !

[Pirate Bob]

I do agree that exploring the dungeons is fun (and kind of dangerous).  What I don't find to be fun is trying to find a specific target down there, as many NPCs in the dungeon are very hard or impossible to find.  If you kill any bandit leaders you do find down there (even without being told to kill them) you can report this to the leaders of the town and they will be happy with you. 

I have not played genesis mod (although I mean to), so I don't have actual in-game experience with the armors.  However, I have done extensive experimenting with the vanilla armors.  The things that determine their strengths are SHEAR_YIELD, SHEAR_FRACTURE, and IMPACT_FRACTURE-IMPACT_YIELD.  Based on looking at the raws for the genesis metals (found in [your_DF_directory]/raw/objects/inorganic_g_metal.txt), it appears that Cobalt is even worse than silver (which is the worst of the standard metals) for making edged weapons and armor.  I would trade the cobalt for copper if you can.  Iron will provide much better protection than copper.    It also appears that blood-steel is slightly better than regular steel for edged weapons and armor.  If you want I can try to provide an approximate ranking for all genesis armor/weapon materials, but I don't have time to go through all the raws right now.  For normal materials, steel>iron>bronze>copper>silver for making armor or edged weapons.  Blunt weapon damage is based on weapon density, so silver>copper=bronze>iron=steel, but all the densities are quite close, so any metal will make a good blunt weapon.

Since you are a dwarf, it will be hard to find dwarf-sized armor.  I *think* that genesis mod adds above-ground fortresses for dwarves.  These will use the same symbol as human fortresses (the castles with no cities around them), but will be near dwarven cities.  The dwarven cities themselves will show up on the travel map, but they are not implemented yet so if you go to them there will be nothing (unless this is also somehow modded by genesis).  Anyway, I would look for armor inside of fortresses.  There will be lots of armor lying around in keeps at the middle of fortesses (the building with nobles inside).  Fortresses belonging to dwarves will of course have a better chance of having dwarven armor, but sometimes you can find it inside of human fotresses as well.

The armor shops in cities are currently broken, and almost never have armor.  Even if they did, it would all be human-sized.  Even if genesis changes dwarven cities to actually exist, and you could find an armor shop with armor, it would also be human-sized.  Bottom line, don't bother shopping for anything besides weapons.  You are unlikely to find a better weapon than a bloodsteel axe in a shop, so I just wouldn't bother with shops at all.

The other place you can find weapons/armor is in bandit camps, night creature lairs, etc.  Enemies near dwarven civilizations are more likely to have armor from (or actually be) dwarves.  Armor from elves or goblins will also fit a dwarf.  Elves have worthless wooden armor in vanilla mode (although I'm not 100% sure that elf bandits don't have better armor) so unless that's changed by genesis mod you won't get anything good from elves, but you could also search around for bandit camps near Goblin dark towers, or see if Genesis has added in above ground fortresses for goblins.