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[TealNinja]

I'm sure ffs would let us find out.

I'm sure he'd help us find out.  There'd be no "letting."

Also, may I propose Ecco is actually two people, for no other reason than "Echo"?

[IronyOwl]

Okay, point. But really, what else would it make sense to effect? Also, I think that the thing has a cooldown, or a rather high cost... there's probably a way to balance it. Also: reasoning for effecting rooms: the Catalyst has an earth theme, and that I feel corresponds with the dungeon levels... oh that's not a good link is it. Oh well. At least it seems messing with rooms is something the Catalyst could do, and is likely to do. If you have an other possibility... Also: as to the balancing: it probably has negative effects for sentient life within the room when swapped.

Nothing comes to mind, and the X,Y,Z designations make it sound likely. But the problem is that function doesn't make sense either, and trying to tack on possible restrictions or alterations to it just reinforces the point that we really have no idea. It could be Thing A With Restrictions B, C, And D; but it could also be Thing A with Restrictions E, F, And G; or Thing B with Restrictions B, F, and H; or Thing I with Features D and J; and so on.

As an example in this particular case, it could swap entities but not items or terrain; or it could swap terrain but not anything on the terrain; or it could swap just loose objects; or it could overwrite one thing as a reimagined version of the other; and so on. If the only thing we know is that it could be an infinite array of possibilities, pretending we at least know it's this particular branch of infinity strikes me as unwise.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121809.msg4892629#msg4892629
I seriously think we should consider buying the eyebrow-waggling technique for 2 river dollars. That's +10 persuasion right there for us to take advantage of in any way we want to. Honestly, what can't we do with +17 persuasion total?

Assuming that's all eyebrow wiggles, what makes you think we can get it for 2 river dollars?

Though for the record, I am in favor of raising our Persuasion stat at any and all costs. I doubt ffs will let us, but I'm open to the possibility.

[Andres]

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121809.msg4892629#msg4892629
I seriously think we should consider buying the eyebrow-waggling technique for 2 river dollars. That's +10 persuasion right there for us to take advantage of in any way we want to. Honestly, what can't we do with +17 persuasion total?

Assuming that's all eyebrow wiggles, what makes you think we can get it for 2 river dollars?

The update after that.

[IronyOwl]

Interesting, but:

Your passing knowledge of currency conversion rates tells you this is a bad deal. The shopkeeper agrees, but his offer stands.

This worries me greatly. Why would that be a bad deal? Was a rushed and overworked ffs too busy to realize what he was offering? Were River Dollars at the time in such short supply that the better option was to hoard them? Or could it be that the famed maneuver doesn't do what we think it does?

EDIT: Oh, I know one possibility. Notice it applied as a penalty to our persuasion checks, not a bonus to his. That might just be a convention issue, where he's not rolling and we are so +10 to him is the same as -10 to us. But if it's not, that'd absolutely destroy any use we might have for the ability.

This may be worth investigating, if we can possibly figure out how. Tipkeeper maybe? Would they answer if we just asked them?

[Cerol Lenslens]

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121809.msg4892629#msg4892629
I seriously think we should consider buying the eyebrow-waggling technique for 2 river dollars. That's +10 persuasion right there for us to take advantage of in any way we want to. Honestly, what can't we do with +17 persuasion total?

While I'm all fine with obtaining the power of eyebrows, I think our chance has long passed. We can't assume all shopkeepers have or will sell it, so our best shot is to go back to that shopkeeper, hope the dungeon hasn't rearranged and rendered him gone forever, hope he hasn't changed his stock, (Yeah, this shouldn't affect the eyebrow gambit's availability, but who knows...) and hope he hasn't adjusted prices like that one time when we went back to a shopkeeper hoping to buy a bunch of inventory slots with our newfound wealth, only to find we couldn't afford his new prices.

If we *do* find him, I think a better option would be to pry up the floor beneath him, (to avoid contact that might trigger deadly retaliation) carry it like a palanquin with Riltia's Dumb Fighter Strength back to the Dark Cathedral, and  merge him with Slog in an attempt to give our slimy buddy laser eyes. (And maybe also the eyebrow trick, if we're lucky. It'd help with shipping Slog x Everybody.)

[freeformschooler]

Interesting, but:

Your passing knowledge of currency conversion rates tells you this is a bad deal. The shopkeeper agrees, but his offer stands.

This worries me greatly. Why would that be a bad deal? Was a rushed and overworked ffs too busy to realize what he was offering? Were River Dollars at the time in such short supply that the better option was to hoard them? Or could it be that the famed maneuver doesn't do what we think it does?

EDIT: Oh, I know one possibility. Notice it applied as a penalty to our persuasion checks, not a bonus to his. That might just be a convention issue, where he's not rolling and we are so +10 to him is the same as -10 to us. But if it's not, that'd absolutely destroy any use we might have for the ability.

This may be worth investigating, if we can possibly figure out how. Tipkeeper maybe? Would they answer if we just asked them?

your regularly scheduled warrens will return soon

[Andres]

Interesting, but:

Your passing knowledge of currency conversion rates tells you this is a bad deal. The shopkeeper agrees, but his offer stands.

This worries me greatly. Why would that be a bad deal? Was a rushed and overworked ffs too busy to realize what he was offering? Were River Dollars at the time in such short supply that the better option was to hoard them? Or could it be that the famed maneuver doesn't do what we think it does?

It was because for that price we could buy a crap-ton of extremely useful stuff like level-up potions or something. There was a guy NE of the village who sold stuff for river dollars but I can't find the update where we went there.

-snip-

Well, it looks like they somehow managed to split the party while we were gone again. Next time we use the AI, we should all agree IC to do whatever we can to not die and not split the party up.

EDIT: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121809.msg4463600#msg4463600

EDIT2: There was a door behind him. What was behind the door?

[monk12]

"evil alt universe Al"

I assume the only difference is that alt Al (Alt?) has a goatee.

[~Neri]

Can we just go do that so Evil Al can ship with Al?

With +17 persuasion, no way Al could sink that ship.

[Andres]

Can we just go do that so Evil Al can ship with Al?

With +17 persuasion, no way Al could sink that ship.

Didn't we already do that? It had Blingee and everything. Nothing happened.

[Elephant Parade]

Can we just go do that so Evil Al can ship with Al?

With +17 persuasion, no way Al could sink that ship.

Didn't we already do that? It had Blingee and everything. Nothing happened.

One of the Als was a fake.

[~Neri]

One of the Als was Kit Kat. Who I still wanna resurrect somehow.

Once we go Oversoul.

[Andres]

How do we Oversoul again? Does it use the Astral Influx? Can we feed the Astral Influx with essences to charge it?

EDIT: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121809.msg4050294#msg4050294

A power sought out by evil rulers and corrupt dictators for millenea. One time-wrought eye gives life, another takes it. Total control. Total domination. Total and complete power.

Ok, so apparently we knew about oversoul before it activated (we just didn't know we could do it), we know about "time-wrought eyes" which both Al and Ciro are, and we know FFS can't spell "millennia" , though that last bit probably doesn't mean much (OR DOES IT?!??!?).

Question ourselves about "time-wrought eyes".

[Toaster]

Makes me wonder exactly what effect a World Tree would have.

[Andres]

Makes me wonder exactly what effect a World Tree would have.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121809.msg4463652#msg4463652
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