Bay 12 Games Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

Poll

Who's excited for Warrens' return?

me
- 8 (16%)
me
- 2 (4%)
me
- 5 (10%)
help i'm trapped in a poll i don't know why i'm here i'm so scared someone please help
- 29 (58%)
me
- 6 (12%)

Total Members Voted: 50


Pages: 1 ... 1295 1296 [1297] 1298 1299 ... 1544

Author Topic: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome ???  (Read 3900109 times)

Execute/Dumbo.exe

  • Bay Watcher
  • Never Types So Much As Punches The Keyboard
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19440 on: April 18, 2015, 08:31:36 pm »

Hang on hang on.
Found something, in every

->You would rather not waste SP here,
+>but if you ask once more time, and nicely,
 >you'll go along with this plan.

+>You do not know why Oric put you in here.
->Even if you knew, you would not be wise
  to say something like that where you might
+>be heard. A punishment such as this would be only
->for a person who was still useful alive but had
 >learned something dangerous, but you wouldn't know anything about that.
Single
->Your name is Proxxy. You
+>are chained in an unknown place
 >in the Warrens for acting against
+>Oric's orders. You think it is
+>unusual Oric would not kill you.
+>What possible use do you serve without
+>a DL to run or a "Target" to kill?
 >You are currently trapped by magical means.
->The only way out is through a warp
+>point, and you can't reach it from here.
 >It is also odd Oric would leave your Soul Star.
  Almost like he is not imprisoning you but...
  ...testing you.


->It is not possible to move too
  much with your chains. You can move
+>a few steps, at most, before you're yanked
+>back by their strength. You also tried to
->jump off the sides without success. Obviously,
  you also tried to break them with force, but
->that went about as well as you'd expect.


->Whaa!? Why would you ask an embarrassing question
  such as that to yourself while troubleshooting?
 >Ehehe! If you MUST know, your ideal man would be
+>Oric, only less nefarious. You doubt there's anyone
->like that out there, and Oric is obviously too far gone.
+>Let's not forget: he's willing to trap cohorts in rooms
 >like this, over minor grievances, possibly forever??? E-V-U-L!
One of these, the lines without a '>' have been ones with an orange letter and a '->' on the line above it, the ones that did have a '>' but without a + or - never had a letter, as if the '>' was just part of the grammar, like a full stop, signifying an end of one sentence and the beginning of another, so perhaps the ones with a > are just a continuation of the line above, and remember the increment by 13 part? A -> could mean that you either move the letter itself 13 back or look at the letter, and select the letter 13 steps behind it, excluding or including spaces and punctuation, perhaps, that one's an unknown, but whatever, so with the ones without an > you move the letter backwards up to the previous sentence.

WAIT, and when ecco (this character is ecco, right?) says:

I thought she meant that if you were counting to 13 with the letter, and setting the counter to zero meant that if the letter went past the end of a certain line then you would have to count another 13 from there, as if the counter was going up whenever you incremented, but what if the counter was going downwards! Starting from 13 and ending at zero which was where you stopped! So if it went over the first line you stopped at the very end instead of continuing unless there wasn't a > in place for the next line in which case you continued on!

Just something I picked up on.
Also I kinda wanted to just combine all the codes into one place.
Logged
He knows how to fix River's tiredness.
Alan help.
Quote
IronyOwl   But Kyuubey can more or less be summed up as "You didn't ask."
15:52   IronyOwl   Whereas Dungbeetle is closer to "Fuck you."

freeformschooler

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19441 on: April 18, 2015, 08:37:13 pm »

WAIT, and when ecco (this character is ecco, right?) says:



(this character is ecco, right?)

Logged

Execute/Dumbo.exe

  • Bay Watcher
  • Never Types So Much As Punches The Keyboard
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19442 on: April 18, 2015, 08:40:40 pm »

Shut up I know words.
Logged
He knows how to fix River's tiredness.
Alan help.
Quote
IronyOwl   But Kyuubey can more or less be summed up as "You didn't ask."
15:52   IronyOwl   Whereas Dungbeetle is closer to "Fuck you."

Dermonster

  • Bay Watcher
  • Break the world, see what falls out.
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19443 on: April 18, 2015, 08:42:26 pm »

Logged
I can do anything I want, as long as I accept the consequences.
"Y'know, my favorite thing about being a hero is that it gives you all kinds of narrative justification to just slay any ol' jerk who gets in the way - Black Mage.
"The bulk of [Derm]'s atrocities seem to stem from him doing things that [Magic] doesn't actually do." - TvTropes
"Dammit Derm!" - You, if I'm doing it right.
Moved to SufficientVelocity / Spacebattles.

RoaryStar

  • Bay Watcher
  • Skilled Programmer
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19444 on: April 18, 2015, 08:44:01 pm »


WAIT, and when ecco (this character is ecco, right?) says:

I thought she meant that if you were counting to 13 with the letter, and setting the counter to zero meant that if the letter went past the end of a certain line then you would have to count another 13 from there, as if the counter was going up whenever you incremented, but what if the counter was going downwards! Starting from 13 and ending at zero which was where you stopped! So if it went over the first line you stopped at the very end instead of continuing unless there wasn't a > in place for the next line in which case you continued on!

Just something I picked up on.
Also I kinda wanted to just combine all the codes into one place.

What about

and

?

I'm pretty sure the three methods all refer to the "counter", but I think the roadblock here is that we don't know what we're supposed to count with.
Logged

Execute/Dumbo.exe

  • Bay Watcher
  • Never Types So Much As Punches The Keyboard
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19445 on: April 18, 2015, 08:45:19 pm »


I was caught up in the moment okay I didn't have time for bullshit like simple proofreading!
Though that image is totally me at the moment, just make the cheeks blistering red and you are set.
Logged
He knows how to fix River's tiredness.
Alan help.
Quote
IronyOwl   But Kyuubey can more or less be summed up as "You didn't ask."
15:52   IronyOwl   Whereas Dungbeetle is closer to "Fuck you."

Chris the OK

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19446 on: April 18, 2015, 08:46:59 pm »

I'm trying a lot of stuff, but... the problem for me is that I'm just doing stuff with YR RUST TU without taking into account that these letters only occur in the latter half of the alphabet. The cipher obviously turned those letters out this way for a reason, but... what could that be?
Logged

Execute/Dumbo.exe

  • Bay Watcher
  • Never Types So Much As Punches The Keyboard
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19447 on: April 18, 2015, 08:51:58 pm »

I'm trying a lot of stuff, but... the problem for me is that I'm just doing stuff with YR RUST TU without taking into account that these letters only occur in the latter half of the alphabet. The cipher obviously turned those letters out this way for a reason, but... what could that be?
Well, fun fact, 13 is the middle of the alphabet and in fact that if you count from any letter forwards or backwards for 13 letters, you will end up with the same letter?


WAIT, and when ecco (this character is ecco, right?) says:

I thought she meant that if you were counting to 13 with the letter, and setting the counter to zero meant that if the letter went past the end of a certain line then you would have to count another 13 from there, as if the counter was going up whenever you incremented, but what if the counter was going downwards! Starting from 13 and ending at zero which was where you stopped! So if it went over the first line you stopped at the very end instead of continuing unless there wasn't a > in place for the next line in which case you continued on!

Just something I picked up on.
Also I kinda wanted to just combine all the codes into one place.

What about

and

?

I'm pretty sure the three methods all refer to the "counter", but I think the roadblock here is that we don't know what we're supposed to count with.
Well, when she says when not increment I can assume she means that you have to space it, so every > without a + or - means that you put a space there.
Actually, just wait a sec, I'm on my iPad so it's tough to write all these text blocks I'll just get on my computer.
Logged
He knows how to fix River's tiredness.
Alan help.
Quote
IronyOwl   But Kyuubey can more or less be summed up as "You didn't ask."
15:52   IronyOwl   Whereas Dungbeetle is closer to "Fuck you."

RoaryStar

  • Bay Watcher
  • Skilled Programmer
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19448 on: April 18, 2015, 08:54:37 pm »

I'm trying a lot of stuff, but... the problem for me is that I'm just doing stuff with YR RUST TU without taking into account that these letters only occur in the latter half of the alphabet. The cipher obviously turned those letters out this way for a reason, but... what could that be?

This was my thought, which ultimately didn't get anywhere (or so it seems):
Could it be adding or substracting the total amount of letters in each ">"?

... try the counter as in the number of letters, and use that as a key. (increment the counter if the letter is >M, decrement if <N, set to 0 on > symbol).

Counter/Letter/Symbol, use symbol to see if it needs to be rotated [by 13]:

12...
05...
YR RUST TU USYYTS UOT UPUT YU OSUO
-+ ++++ -+ -++--- +-+ ++-- -+ +-+-


Spoiler: explanation (click to show/hide)

"encryption=HALFHABET"
"method=INCREMENT_>13"
"method2=WHEN_NOT_INCREMENT_THEN_--"
"method3=ON_CHAR_">"_SET_COUNTER=0"


Note that I made a calculation error there, so it didn't actually work.

Considering that the encryption is named HALFHABET, the algorithm probably rotates the result by 13 if it's M or less, and then uses the + and - to denote which ones need to be turned back. However, we don't know which one should be r-13'd, and we haven't figured out the other step, either.
Logged

Worldmaster27

  • Bay Watcher
  • Doop
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19449 on: April 18, 2015, 09:01:35 pm »

woah, this is cool

unfortunately, I have no experience with decoding and stuff, so good luck

remember that ffs mentioned someone was quite close before, so y'know, look at those
Logged

RoaryStar

  • Bay Watcher
  • Skilled Programmer
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19450 on: April 18, 2015, 09:20:08 pm »

Presumably there are three methods, +, -, and  .
Presumably   is a space because there is no index to apply to.
Is there any obvious sources which could be used as a cypher key?
Does 13 apply to the text from which the letter was acquired? Perhaps skipping over letters that are not in the same half of the alphabet, either by removing odds/evens or cutting it in half...
For example, if we're going the character-counting route, the fact that FFS has chosen a monospaced font would lead me to consider approaches that count all characters including spaces ahead of any based on word characters or word and punctuation characters only.

Also, anything in Proxxy's speech boxes should be taken very seriously. This is information that was too important / sensitive to be woven into the bulk of the ciphtertext. "I'll miss half the picture whether I think positively or negatively" - this has got to provoke curiosity in someone other than myself, for sure, right?

EDIT: As an example, and again if going the character-counting route, you might try counting from the beginning of the line on lines with a plus, but from the end of the line on lines with a minus, thereby discarding half the line each time (or half the picture) but a different one depending on sign. Not something I would've thought of without the speech bubble clue.
Someone try these:
+> with method1, -> with both method1 and 2, going from the left;
+> with method1, -> with both method1 and 2, going from the right;
+> with method1 from left, -> with both method1 and 2 from right;
+> with method1, -> with both method1 and 2, full line;
Any with all three methods, full line;
Any with all three methods, continuous;
+> from left, increment by count (# of letters/chars), -> from right, increment by count;
+> from left, increment by count, -> from right, decrement by count;
The above two, but increment by count TIMES the result of method1 and 2 (<13 = -count, >13 = +count)
The above three, but count increments with method1 and method2

time to do my geography homework...
Logged

freeformschooler

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19451 on: April 18, 2015, 09:26:04 pm »

Right then.

CHECK ALL THE MENUS
All the menus have already been checked previously!
Second-Shift your soul star
+1







Spoiler: Party (click to show/hide)
Logged

Elephant Parade

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19452 on: April 18, 2015, 09:37:58 pm »

51%. That's interesting; it's just barely in the second half, percentage-wise, which could relate to how all the gold letters have been in the second half of the alphabet.

Also, wow, that's a terrible weapon.

I think this means we can move, if only one step at a time. Try to move off of our current hexagon. We're supposed to reach the teleporter, presumably, since we can charge it up.
Logged

Toaster

  • Bay Watcher
  • Appliance
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19453 on: April 18, 2015, 09:40:13 pm »

Take step by step actions

I imagine that's what she's trying to point out.

Let's think for a second.  Proxxy works with computers.  She comments out parts of her messages.  They look like programming code.

Whatever the code is, it's something that could be easily encoded into an algorithm and solved by a computer.
Logged
HMR stands for Hazardous Materials Requisition, not Horrible Massive Ruination, though I can understand how one could get confused.
God help us if we have to agree on pizza toppings at some point. There will be no survivors.

Empiricist

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Halfhabet Soup
« Reply #19454 on: April 18, 2015, 09:43:34 pm »

Is she trying to tell us that we can't solve her encryption by one step alone and that we need to put it through a series of alterations?
Logged
Quote from: Caellath (on Discord)
<Caellath>: Emp is the hero we don't need, deserve or want
Pages: 1 ... 1295 1296 [1297] 1298 1299 ... 1544