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[Mego]

Unless we're actually in Oric's mind and Betweenford is the outside contact.

The cycles are him going through some sort of problem over and over, Groundhog Day style, until... something happens?


I've rather been in favor of the "it's all a dream/simulation/nonreality" theory for a while.

Replaying different scenarios of basically the same thing inside of the mind of a schizophrenic? It's a neat idea, and would imply that Oric is still in captivity in the real world, and Ciro is his representation of whatever set off the schizophrenia. Except this time, we're also sort of the medication/therapy to help Oric overcome his schizophrenia.

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The Company of Myself, anyone?

[Toaster]

Assuming what I said was correct, there's no reason to assume anyone else is actually a real person.

[hops]

Yah, sure, schizophrenia theory.
Real original.

[GreatWyrmGold]

I just realized something.

"Watcher of the watch".
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, anyone?
Then again, it could just be a rhyme

It could be rhyme or wordplay, but I agree that the Angels watching the wardens makes sense.
Of course...who watches Betweenford?

[Mego]

I just realized something.

"Watcher of the watch".
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, anyone?
Then again, it could just be a rhyme

It could be rhyme or wordplay, but I agree that the Angels watching the wardens makes sense.
Of course...who watches Betweenford?

He watches himself. Recursion, ho!

[monk12]

Yah, sure, schizophrenia theory.
Real original.

Though I forget, did we ever figure out what a Silent was?

[RedWarrior0]

A person who has up to that point been a silent protagonist?

[Mego]

Yah, sure, schizophrenia theory.
Real original.

Though I forget, did we ever figure out what a Silent was?

Someone who can't speak, like Ciro when he first started out. I can't think of any that we've met (aside Ciro, of course).

[monk12]

So here's a crazy theory. We've met exactly one Silent in the whole game: Ciro. We also know that Ciro is involved in some elaborate cycle of amnesiac reincarnation, which s/he has repeated multiple times. So what if every Silent to pass through Underside was a different reincarnation of Ciro?

Probably the most interesting implication of that premise is that Al strongly implied he's seen multiple Silents come through the village, suggesting that either each cycle is quite short (i.e Ciro dies quickly) or Al has been down in Underside for a hella long time. Though we already knew that second one, not that we've tied an actual timeframe to anything.

This also ties into Ciro recognizing Al at the Greens.



Ciro can hardly recognize Al if s/he hadn't encountered him on previous cycles, and if Al was jive to the whole "cycle" thing then he would have known who Ciro was as soon as he fell down into Underside. Thus, Al thinks there's this whole class of adventurers he terms "Silents," when really he just keeps meeting Ciro over and over.

On top of that, it seems quite unlikely Al has ever left Underside before this cycle (we even got a whole cutscene out of it!) which would imply that Al's (and Cherish's) current Underside Exodus is a major departure from previous cycles. If that's true, then we should be really careful of Al and Cherish since it seems likely they'll be eliminated/reset at the first opportunity in order to "normalize" this aberrant cycle. Unless the reset of the cycle also gives Al partial amnesia.

Partial amnesia. Is there anything it can't explain?

[Mego]

Crazier theory: Every character is a version of Ciro, from some point during the cycles.

[NAV]

I'm pretty sure the shopkeepers, the guards, and the postman are also silents.

[Mego]

I'm pretty sure the shopkeepers, the guards, and the postman are also silents.

Shopkeepers and guards both talk. Wilford and the arena guards are notable examples.

The postman, however, is silent as far as we know, but is willing to put a bomb in someone's mailbox.

[IronyOwl]

This also ties into Ciro recognizing Al at the Greens.



Ciro can hardly recognize Al if s/he hadn't encountered him on previous cycles, and if Al was jive to the whole "cycle" thing then he would have known who Ciro was as soon as he fell down into Underside. Thus, Al thinks there's this whole class of adventurers he terms "Silents," when really he just keeps meeting Ciro over and over.

Would she have known about any of that stuff even if she had met him before, though? That looks more like some seeing into his soul stuff than having noticed him raising an adoptive daughter and murdering someone for no reason before.

[NAV]

I'm pretty sure the shopkeepers, the guards, and the postman are also silents.

Shopkeepers and guards both talk. Wilford and the arena guards are notable examples.

The postman, however, is silent as far as we know, but is willing to put a bomb in someone's mailbox.

The guard that guards the storage is completely unwilling to talk.

You go look in storage. The guard down here seems unharmed, but he's one of those NON-TALKY TYPES. You know, like the shopkeepers. Except you don't know that because you haven't met a shopkeeper yet.

New Theory: the Postman is Oric.

[Mego]

You go look in storage. The guard down here seems unharmed, but he's one of those NON-TALKY TYPES. You know, like the shopkeepers. Except you don't know that because you haven't met a shopkeeper yet.

New Theory: the Postman is Oric.

Oh my sweet Armok... It would make sense! What with the bomb and everything!

Actually there's still the problem of Ciro being dead when the postman was on-screen.