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[Xanmyral]

I knew it, the mantling has begun! We must get them off of her before she winds up being aspects of both Ciro and Al!

Also...

As for the bleeding thing, it could be a lot of things. It could be abuse of our powers, that's been known to make us hack up blood and pain, abuse of the checkpoint but really we haven't seen any side effects of such, or maybe something else. I gave a lot of theories but I cannot really say what they all were. I can rule out being in another universe, I believe, since we were actually still in the arena, thus we were still in our 'verse. It could of been due to Megaman's proximity, yet only we were effected, no one else did. Could be due to tampering with our soulstar, but then we'd see Al also suffering the effects of it as well...

[Furtuka]

On the bright side that combination means she'll probably be the snarkiest thing alive

[Xanmyral]

On the bright side that combination means she'll probably be the snarkiest thing alive

The horror...

[GreatWyrmGold]

I knew it, the mantling has begun! We must get them off of her before she winds up being aspects of both Ciro and Al!

Also...

As for the bleeding thing, it could be a lot of things. It could be abuse of our powers, that's been known to make us hack up blood and pain, abuse of the checkpoint but really we haven't seen any side effects of such, or maybe something else. I gave a lot of theories but I cannot really say what they all were. I can rule out being in another universe, I believe, since we were actually still in the arena, thus we were still in our 'verse. It could of been due to Megaman's proximity, yet only we were effected, no one else did. Could be due to tampering with our soulstar, but then we'd see Al also suffering the effects of it as well...

Let's start by ruling out options.

You bring up some good points.
I think that the fact that it has a Theorycrafting question rules out the idea of "It's just a joke about feeling the impact of the new stuff or something," especially since that was mentioned before and was wrong.

It probably has something to do with Bloodshaping or an internal injury. I'm disinclined towards the latter, as such an injury would have come up again, so it was probably a Bloodshaping thing. Or, something unusual was sensed.

Hm.

I'm starting to think about some theories I derided. I need to research. Page 196, you say?...

[EmeraldWind]

All very interesting. The part with the chess pieces someone brought up the thought they could be related to the Stars. I think you should have kept that a bit hush hush though. Still a bit more to discover though. Though... I think we aren't far off from figuring out at least one more

That one doesn't worry me, it's just mindless symbolism that doesn't give us much new information (similar to the shapes during the intermission). There's a lot of that in this game.

I was going to say its further proof against Yaos being a sibling because there is already a purple in Cain. But then I realized you could be double bluffing us in one direction or another. Like we enter the battle with Cain only for the light to come on and reveal he's the Pink Sibling (The lights were off and it was dark so he looked purple). Or Yaos could be holding Cain's Star and be the Voice or Oric in disguise.

And you're just a clever enough guy to pull one of these stunts or neither. Either way, I'm left unsure which direction to divide myself into.

[javierpwn]

Spoiler: TheoryCrafting:Why Oric wants to "kill" the Target (click to show/hide)

Let's start this off nicely

Oric does not truly want to kill Ciro, he has some alterior motive for killing Ciro off every cycle, the first piece of evidence is right here:

Al, do you know about the Harian Royal Prison?

No.

We lock... we lock up people who can do this. Things like this. Create something from nothing. Throw lightning. Turn invisible. That was my old job.

Those who were locked up in the Harian Royal Prison had immense power; such of that of Oric, and his siblings.
Oric speaks of a prison after Ciro asks Oric about his purpose:

As RIlitia used to work with Oric, she knows most/all of his plans, but cannot directly recall all of them due to the Cycles hiding memories. Rilitia states that the answer is to recreate the prison.

And this quote from the tipkeeper helps to explain my theory:

And this before oversoul

A power sought out by evil rulers and corrupt dictators for millenea. One time-wrought eye gives life, another takes it. Total control. Total domination. Total and complete power.

Oric is trying to use the power of our Soul Star, which is why he makes us do the cycles in the first place, because our soul star changes quite quickly, and is able to gain soul charge more quickly. He is using this power to recreate the prison he was once in, because he was "transferred"; he does this because he probably has a mental bond towards said prison, which is rational, because it is all he ever knew before being "transferred"

Took 3 hours of searching.Also: TO THE NEXT ROOM!

I proposed a similar idea(http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121809.msg4207040#msg4207040)... though it was a little less sane due to lack of sleep.

Here are my !!!!OLD!!!!"Why does Oric want Ciro dead"theory, with Emeralds in there too!

Spoiler: NEW THEORY (click to show/hide)

Ciro, being the Conduit of the Oversoul(mah term for him just being able to become it) is targeted by Oric and his siblings due to Oric being the Warden of the OS, which has been stated by Floe/BetweenFord during their conversation about getting BetweenFord back to the OS. Ciro being alive allows opportunity for the OS to escape it's prison during certain situations, which poses a threat to Oric's job.

Although he allows Ciro to live(to die) because Ciro also has the most well-suited Soul for obtaining vast quantities of Soul charge; which can be easily solved by killing Ciro at the End of each cycle; powering him further than necessary. Even though it poses a threat to Oric, it is necessary for the way Oric wants the prison to function.

[Xanmyral]

Spoiler: More Theories and Speculation on Blood (click to show/hide)

Well... It could be vampirism, but we don't really know how it works here. We can rule out cross-roads problems, and having to count objects on the ground when a number is scattered, as neither us nor Al does it. Well, we do the last bit but that's more because we always pick up anything that isn't bolted down (on that note, you think its possible to steal that coin vending machine or try to break in it?).

Didn't pass any running water, didn't enter a place without permission, don't feel the urge to suck blood... I really doubt its becoming a vampire. And if so, we'd need to find Al and watch him be vampire like to figure that out. There may be more myths about vampires though that I can't recall at the moment.

Could be the new combat style, but I doubt that. Everyone else would of been effected in some way, I think. Cain wasn't affected when dance battles became a thing. You think it might be a side effect of oversoul? Something we may of used?

[EmeraldWind]

Spoiler: More Theories and Speculation on Blood (click to show/hide)

Well... It could be vampirism, but we don't really know how it works here. We can rule out cross-roads problems, and having to count objects on the ground when a number is scattered, as neither us nor Al does it. Well, we do the last bit but that's more because we always pick up anything that isn't bolted down (on that note, you think its possible to steal that coin vending machine or try to break in it?).

Didn't pass any running water, didn't enter a place without permission, don't feel the urge to suck blood... I really doubt its becoming a vampire. And if so, we'd need to find Al and watch him be vampire like to figure that out. There may be more myths about vampires though that I can't recall at the moment.

Could be the new combat style, but I doubt that. Everyone else would of been effected in some way, I think. Cain wasn't affected when dance battles became a thing. You think it might be a side effect of oversoul? Something we may of used?

This may be stupid. This is the one theory where I don't know what happened. But this happened in the previous update.

Ciro was separated from Clot Cutter.
 

Does anyone remember what its options do? I don't... I'm checking though...

[RedWarrior0]

Bloodborn boosted damage by... 1?. Bloodfused gave it a pewpew option.

Edit: Remember, though, that the headband has been in storage for a while

[Harbingerjm]

We already know people aren't guaranteed to be carrying their soul star the first time they enter the Warrens. Al entered the dungeon in a rush to save Cherish from something (referenced a few times throughout the game),

>"My name is Alphonse, and I don't give a single fuck about the laws of any kingdom. I'm out to see my daughter, and if I have to die a thousand deaths to make amends, then that green place'd better powerin' up, because I won't stop until Cherish knows... knows that I'd never hurt her, no matter how shitty of a person I am. Again, I, am ALPHONSE. ALPHONSE MOTHERFUCKING SCARLETT. Now step back, 'cause I'm breaking free to see my daughter."
>"..."
>"..."
>"By the way, I hit on your mom, you shitty voice."


Oh no, I accidentally hotblooded speech again............

Who's Cherish?

I am confus...

@Harbingerjm
Maybe Slog journeying with us is enough to charge his gauge. We're his first friends and we gave him the food he always craved. We're making him better through just interacting with him... maybe.

I sure hope so.
Or possibly not, since inevitably this will cause suggestions from those slog-hating monsters to murder him and steal his charge.
Either way.

[javierpwn]

Bloodborn boosted damage by... 1?. Bloodfused gave it a pewpew option.

Edit: Remember, though, that the headband has been in storage for a while

And that proxxy has universal access to all Storage; also, if the statue was dispatching unnessesary rooms to be dropped off, and it was in DL2:
What if that Coin machine is the same one Proxxy and Cherish went to?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

the deconstruction of "UNECESSARY" rooms could have destroyed our storage stuffs due to relative position; especially since DL2 had a huge art design change.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Spoiler: Theory Time! (click to show/hide)

Alright, this is my first in-depth Theorycrafting, so bear with me.

Let's start by examining the immediate circumstances of the event.

Ciro mentions that she feels like she was "stabbed in the heart" but that she is "okay now". That's a few seconds from "bleeding internally and feeling mortally-wounded" to "as okay as ever, which may not be much but is still a lot better than before." This proves that it was no mere mortal wound.

One more thing: One theory which I nixed was the idea that it was just "exposure to the Arena". However, why would this affect Ciro, and only now?
Well, there's the fact that Ciro is the one whose Soul Charge stuff seems to build up the fastest, so maybe his/her soul would be most susceptible to shocks like that. If such things work like, say, water flowing through the sand, that would make Ciro the unlucky gully. However, this theory fails to explain such things as why the screens matter so much for this, what this "shock" is, and why having a fast-charging soul makes you more susceptible to it...and, above all, why it stopped.

Now let's go backwards, update by update, which is a lot more tedious than I would have thought.

Update -1 Summary:
Everyone prepares to fight Mega Man, who tells us to chill. We get some expositiony BS about how the multiverse is flexible and we were lucky enough to run into him. I don't think there's much to worry about here.

Update -2 Summary:
We fight the Mets, with Ciro really missing with the Clot Cutter. Ciro complains about how Attack Attack Attack strategy sucks, when MM shows up to save us from the last Met. Again, none of this seems to relate to the bleeding...unless it had something to do with dropping the Clot Cutter?

Update -3 Summary:
We smack Mets around. Wow, this is kinda fruitless.

Update -4 Summary:
We scan ourself. Hm...Anyways, Al makes a double entendre which Rilitia completely misses, as he retrieves a sword. We teleport to the arena. Scanning Ciro seems like it might have something to do with it, but I can't imagine what. Those of you who want to investigate further, it's on page 190.

Update -5 Summary:
5 is one of those numbers which if I had a "do X in Y turns" would be obvious to do. Let's look at this turn carefully.
We spend all our money on Tips. Something tells me this didn't cause internal bleeding and psychic mortal wounds.

Update -6 Summary:
We head to the Market, Ciro talking about the merits of piggyback rides which are then forgotten. This is an unlikely candidate.

Update -7
I'm skipping the interlude for obvious reasons.
Ciro piggybacks on Rilitia, the Interlude begins.

Update -8
Al's soup is confiscated. Al and Ciro chat. Al points a sword at us, and Rilitia joins in, wondering why people can't move between dungeon levels freely. Al rejoins us and hugs Ciro. The Shipping Grid recalibrates. While this update has a lot of climatic stuff, and it would be amusing if affection for Al caused actual physical harm, there's no evidence that this is the case, no proposed mechanism for this to take place, and the timing is not suggestive of a timed effect.

Update -9
I'm not counting that explicitly non-update joke.
We run into Al, it seems. Rilitia mentions that she has no memory about what happened...before. Ciro says she's hungry. Al invites us over for dinner. Again, as above, it's an unlikely candidate.

Update -10
This is another one of those numbers where you would expect something if it was a delayed effect.
And what do you know, guess what we did?

We should check back earlier, compile arguments until we have a solid one. Basically, my guess as to what happened is:
1. We cheated the save system.
2. We got HP>MHP
3. This, possibly due to paradox but more likely due to "overflowing" with blood, caused stress inside Ciro's body.
4. This caused a timed effect to activate: 10 turns later, we would have a sort of internal bleeding thing.
I need to check this more thoroughly, but it makes sense to me. For future reference: This turn is on page 168.

[Xanmyral]

So you mean, a sort of in-built decay system with health, that would bleed people down back to within their normal health limits if it was ever exceeded? The problem with that is why is it so delayed? At that moment, we were back to regular health range. I think we may have to look back further... Possibly an error in the reincarnation? I mean, we did sort of come back... Wrong. We have memories we shouldn't, and the process was glitched.

EDIT: Seems we rolled a five in "everything is where it should be." A bit disconcerting. Also, Mili was in there too... I have a feeling those two are a bit interconnected.

[EmeraldWind]

Bloodborn boosted damage by... 1?. Bloodfused gave it a pewpew option.

Edit: Remember, though, that the headband has been in storage for a while

Firstly, Bloodborn was pre-selected upon creation.


Secondly,

You're partially right. It also added a +2 to damage.

Question is. First, what does Bloodborn do? Second, does Bloodfused have any draw backs beyond the cost.

[Harbingerjm]

Update -4 Summary:
We scan ourself. Hm...Anyways, Al makes a double entendre which Rilitia completely misses, as he retrieves a sword. We teleport to the arena. Scanning Ciro seems like it might have something to do with it, but I can't imagine what. Those of you who want to investigate further, it's on page 190.

Also we recovered our clot-cutter that we had left lying around in a completely different room/level than what we were in for some time. That seems a lot more likely than getting hurt because we tossed it across the room for a turn, anyway.