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[monk12]

Spoiler: YE GODS (click to show/hide)

Well! mastahcheese's theory was about the nature of the Illborn, but I think the hint he hit on was on the ownership of the Soul Stars.

As for Proxxy's odd color on the Astral Influx, if the Astral Influx and Illborn Exchange are both soul stones or whatever, then how can it choose someone who already has their own soulstone?

Proxxy was yellow on the Astral Influx because she was holding her own Soul Star.

You Guys.



AL IS THE PROPER OWNER OF THE ILLBORN EXCHANGE

Al mentioned that Illborn are constantly attacking him. This probably has something to do with his soul (which we still don't really know enough about because we never got the damn thing to work.) The Green Triangle isn't on Cain's screen because Al isn't a Sibling- he's from outside the Warrens. I... don't know as we've actually got more than that, but the Astral Influx clinches it for me.

I'm sticking with Ciro -> Astral Influx, Ritlia -> Revenant Savior (that menu also confirms Yandere Riltia is channeling her own Soul Star somehow,) Yellow Lightning -> Proxxy, Thief -> Oric. Throw in Al -> Illborn Exchange, and we have a WINNER.

Maybe.

[mastahcheese]

Spoiler: YE GODS (click to show/hide)

Well! mastahcheese's theory was about the nature of the Illborn, but I think the hint he hit on was on the ownership of the Soul Stars.

As for Proxxy's odd color on the Astral Influx, if the Astral Influx and Illborn Exchange are both soul stones or whatever, then how can it choose someone who already has their own soulstone?

Proxxy was yellow on the Astral Influx because she was holding her own Soul Star.

You Guys.



AL IS THE PROPER OWNER OF THE ILLBORN EXCHANGE

Al mentioned that Illborn are constantly attacking him. This probably has something to do with his soul (which we still don't really know enough about because we never got the damn thing to work.) The Green Triangle isn't on Cain's screen because Al isn't a Sibling- he's from outside the Warrens. I... don't know as we've actually got more than that, but the Astral Influx clinches it for me.

I'm sticking with Ciro -> Astral Influx, Ritlia -> Revenant Savior (that menu also confirms Yandere Riltia is channeling her own Soul Star somehow,) Yellow Lightning -> Proxxy, Thief -> Oric. Throw in Al -> Illborn Exchange, and we have a WINNER.

Maybe.

And with Yaos being an outsider with his own soulstone....
WE HAVE TO STOP AL.

[javierpwn]

Spoiler: PICTURELESS THEORYCRAFTING DUE TO VACATION (click to show/hide)

I think that the Illborn exchange puts new qualities into Illborn, like skills, classes, and mutations. Biggest hint being Slog's chance at getting the 'Dark Cathedral'. Because of the big slot being for Illborn themselves, and small slots for misc. items; which with the right combo probably changes the state of various Illborn.

As for the ThoeryCrafting on Illborn themselves: FFS said that Rilitia's transformation is a part of Illborn theory. And mastahcheese seems to have gotten right the part where he says Illborn is a state of Being, that changes.
So far, regret seems to be a drive for Illborn. Cool Crab wishes he wasn't always cool, Slog regrets not ever bring able to get a meal, Rilitia regretted not being there for Ciro. And if Cain is an Illborn, he regrets not killing the Thief.
Rilitia's soul star was going haywire, and could not be selected with the astral influx, and an active soul star seems to keep the Influx from going into others narrative. Her soul star seeming corrupt or even losing connection with the person. 
Seeing herself as a monstrous traitor, who wasn't there for her friend; plenty of regret there

If the theory of having regret changes ones'self into an Illborn, Al seems to have no regrets, just generally not caring about anything,especially when he was living in the surface, not even caring about the guy with a spear, which might change if he meets new Cherish(transforming him into a demonic vampire beast maybe) And Wilford regrets going into the dungeon, and even talking to Al.
Rilitia's soul charge also had a strange nega-charge covering on her soul star during her Illborn transformation, possibly meaning that her physical form was becoming less and less attached to her soul itself, and that each soul has an Illborn charge, which is counteracted by a powerful dose of Oversoul charging power. The charge returning the disconnected soul of an Illborn back to normal.

Putting this together, Illborn are various creatures without souls, and with various regrets coming into the dungeon, losing connection with their souls; probably changing with how they perceive themselves. They also have little drive, besides killing Al, who lives without regret and is an immortal.

Although taking the Soul out of the body, or even death might be triggers, it might be a gradual process.

[Xanmyral]

Okay, I had a worrying thought.

Spoiler: Paranoid ramblings I hope isn't true (click to show/hide)

You know how Cain mentioned that people change with the soulstars? I think I know how. I think that when someone possesses a soulstar, they start to become the owner of that soulstar. They mantle the owner, in that they become less themselves and more the 'owner.' I think that if Al kept holding onto that, he may of became Cain, or the next version of Cain.

[monk12]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I think that the Illborn exchange puts new qualities into Illborn, like skills, classes, and mutations. Biggest hint being Slog's chance at getting the 'Dark Cathedral'. Because of the big slot being for Illborn themselves, and small slots for misc. items; which with the right combo probably changes the state of various Illborn.

As for the ThoeryCrafting on Illborn themselves: FFS said that Rilitia's transformation is a part of Illborn theory. And mastahcheese seems to have gotten right the part where he says Illborn is a state of Being, that changes.
So far, regret seems to be a drive for Illborn. Cool Crab wishes he wasn't always cool, Slog regrets not ever bring able to get a meal, Rilitia regretted not being there for Ciro. And if Cain is an Illborn, he regrets not killing the Thief.
Rilitia's soul star was going haywire, and could not be selected with the astral influx, and an active soul star seems to keep the Influx from going into others narrative. Her soul star seeming corrupt or even losing connection with the person. 
Seeing herself as a monstrous traitor, who wasn't there for her friend; plenty of regret there

If the theory of having regret changes ones'self into an Illborn, Al seems to have no regrets, just generally not caring about anything,especially when he was living in the surface, not even caring about the guy with a spear, which might change if he meets new Cherish(transforming him into a demonic vampire beast maybe) And Wilford regrets going into the dungeon, and even talking to Al.

Rilitia's soul charge also had a strange nega-charge covering on her soul star during her Illborn transformation, possibly meaning that her physical form was becoming less and less attached to her soul itself, and that each soul has an Illborn charge, which is counteracted by a powerful dose of Oversoul charging power. The charge returning the disconnected soul of an Illborn back to normal.

Putting this together, Illborn are various creatures without souls, and with various regrets coming into the dungeon, losing connection with their souls; probably changing with how they perceive themselves. They also have little drive, besides killing Al, who lives without regret and is an immortal.

Although taking the Soul out of the body, or even death might be triggers, it might be a gradual process.

Oooh, I like this. It feels right. I have literally no problems with this theory, and I think you've finally figured out how we're supposed to use that damn Soul Star (if we ever get it back from Cherish)

[Furtuka]

Okay, I had a worrying thought.

Spoiler: Paranoid ramblings I hope isn't true (click to show/hide)

You know how Cain mentioned that people change with the soulstars? I think I know how. I think that when someone possesses a soulstar, they start to become the owner of that soulstar. They mantle the owner, in that they become less themselves and more the 'owner.' I think that if Al kept holding onto that, he may of became Cain, or the next version of Cain.

Does this mean Cherish will become a bizarre personality combination of Cain, Ciro and Al if we don't find her soon?

[EmeraldWind]

Just looking back at Cain's intermission and noticed some things. The mark the shows Cain as "sinful" is "Bloodhewn", not sure if any relavence, but an interesting note. Also, when it mentions that Cain killed his siblings, look at the hair style of the victim in front of him...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It was Proxxy

And it mentions that they taste better, to quote, "Siblings are always the most delicious. Others have not experienced love, joy, loss. They do not taste as good as a sibling with a soul thrice as full."
The Illborne want the power residing in Souls. And I think that the reason for this is that the more power they get, the less "Illborne" they become, maybe Chief has been working on this a long time and is getting close, maybe the reason Riltia returned to her human form is because we blasted her with an extreme overdose of Soul, completely shifting her out of it.

Ninja'd by FFS, Yaos has a soul gauge, hmm...

That doesn't make you wrong. Siblings are implied to be more full, but that might be because experiencing the cycles gives them more trauma. Anyone here play 999 or Virtue's Last Reward? The cycles here might have the same purpose as the Nonary Game. To put people in a situation where psychic energy grows quicker. The cycles wipe everyone's minds, so they get to feel strong emotions of loss several times over.

Killing non-Illborns raise the Soul Gauge and Cain's bit about siblings seems to me to imply that killing someone causes your Soul Gauge to charge with their energy. Maybe Illborn are creatures that have had their Soul Gauge depleted to the point where killing them doesn't cause your Soul Gauge to raise or their Soul Star was broken.

Rilita's Star busted due to her dying without it in hand and became an Illborn (maybe). Ciro pumping her extra energy in Rilita might have restored her Soul Star.

This would explain why Illborn attack certain people. So that they can gain Soul Gauge energy to restore themselves, but why are some non-violent? I could probably do some more research, but my brain is dry today.

[monk12]

Oh hey, in the excitement of tying Al to the Illborn Exchange, I forgot that the GM ninja'd me with an update.

Ask her how she got here, and what she knows of this weapon she's looking for. We might be able to help, although we'd like it if she helped us find our friends who fell down a trapdoor.

Edit: How much is a stat boost? We need to buy one, for health. That way we're A) Not as squishy, and B) Can do more blood shenanigans without overly endangering ourselves. Blood armor anyone?

+1

I want to know as much about Yaos as we can, and I'm starting to lean in favor of kicking him out of the party so we can get that gem for ourselves.

[Furtuka]

Huh. I did not notice those symbols on the floor until just now. Silly me

[Harbingerjm]

This would explain why Illborn attack certain people. So that they can gain Soul Gauge energy to restore themselves, but why are some non-violent? I could probably do some more research, but my brain is dry today.

Possibly they either don't know how to charge their gauge, don't care enough to do so, or are trying other methods.
If the theory about them being stuck with basically just one emotional state is correct, perhaps they are the ones who have emotions that are not conducive to murder. If not, perhaps they are trying to raise it through emotional stuff the same way non-Illborn can.
Consider just what it took to make Slog change his expression. Giant wisp was so terrifying it overcame his permanant state of "friendly hungry orphan," perhaps? Look at his face in the last update, his expression is still in "oh sh-" mode.

[EmeraldWind]

Oh hey, in the excitement of tying Al to the Illborn Exchange, I forgot that the GM ninja'd me with an update.

Good job with tying that together. I think you hit a major clue there.

But we were able to change to Al at that exact moment. So glowing a color might not prevent us from switching to that character.

Edit:
@Harbingerjim
Maybe Slog journeying with us is enough to charge his gauge. We're his first friends and we gave him the food he always craved. We're making him better through just interacting with him... maybe.

[javierpwn]

Spoiler: YE GODS (click to show/hide)

Well! mastahcheese's theory was about the nature of the Illborn, but I think the hint he hit on was on the ownership of the Soul Stars.

As for Proxxy's odd color on the Astral Influx, if the Astral Influx and Illborn Exchange are both soul stones or whatever, then how can it choose someone who already has their own soulstone?

Proxxy was yellow on the Astral Influx because she was holding her own Soul Star.

You Guys.



AL IS THE PROPER OWNER OF THE ILLBORN EXCHANGE

Al mentioned that Illborn are constantly attacking him. This probably has something to do with his soul (which we still don't really know enough about because we never got the damn thing to work.) The Green Triangle isn't on Cain's screen because Al isn't a Sibling- he's from outside the Warrens. I... don't know as we've actually got more than that, but the Astral Influx clinches it for me.

I'm sticking with Ciro -> Astral Influx, Ritlia -> Revenant Savior (that menu also confirms Yandere Riltia is channeling her own Soul Star somehow,) Yellow Lightning -> Proxxy, Thief -> Oric. Throw in Al -> Illborn Exchange, and we have a WINNER.

Maybe.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

CHERISH IS THE NEW OWNER OF THE ILLBORN EXCHANGE! We have a winner here guys, no contest; Al just stole it from her!
It might just be saying who is holding an active soul star.
Also, Rilitia is no longer attached to her Soul during that picture, completed her transformation.

Okay, I had a worrying thought.

Spoiler: Paranoid ramblings I hope isn't true (click to show/hide)

You know how Cain mentioned that people change with the soulstars? I think I know how. I think that when someone possesses a soulstar, they start to become the owner of that soulstar. They mantle the owner, in that they become less themselves and more the 'owner.' I think that if Al kept holding onto that, he may of became Cain, or the next version of Cain.

Proxy also has a cut-off warning about even the handling if a soul star does something, so that too.


Al went on a killing spree and did unnecessary murder after acquiring the star, even though it was our fault.
Also says what every iteration of OS is.

Just looking back at Cain's intermission and noticed some things. The mark the shows Cain as "sinful" is "Bloodhewn", not sure if any relavence, but an interesting note. Also, when it mentions that Cain killed his siblings, look at the hair style of the victim in front of him...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It was Proxxy

And it mentions that they taste better, to quote, "Siblings are always the most delicious. Others have not experienced love, joy, loss. They do not taste as good as a sibling with a soul thrice as full."
The Illborne want the power residing in Souls. And I think that the reason for this is that the more power they get, the less "Illborne" they become, maybe Chief has been working on this a long time and is getting close, maybe the reason Riltia returned to her human form is because we blasted her with an extreme overdose of Soul, completely shifting her out of it.

Ninja'd by FFS, Yaos has a soul gauge, hmm...

Killing non-Illborns raise the Soul Gauge and Cain's bit about siblings seems to me to imply that killing someone causes your Soul Gauge to charge with their energy. Maybe Illborn are  creatures that have had their Soul Gauge depleted to the point where killing them doesn't cause your Soul Gauge to raise or their Soul Star was broken.

I think of it like this; if you kill a person, and they have a pouch of gold in their pocket, you can take the gold. But if they don't have the pouch with them, or are paupers, the pouch of gold is inaccessible.

[Chink]

Head back to storage and get our ten pence from there, then buy Ciro 5x stat points.

[monk12]

Aw crap, I think javierpwn is right. The green overlay is just possession, not rightful ownership.

Actually, wait... looking back through Al never actually held the Illborn Exchange. Cherish was holding it the entire time, in her role as pack mule. The green overlay started on Al, then switched to Cherish after the perspective shift... what does it mean? I'm pretty sure it isn't merely an "active character" highlight, we never saw it before then IIRC.

Anywho, I snagged all the statue dialog into one place.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I had thought "room dispatches" referred to the monsters spawning the next room over, but that number went up when it should have been going down (as Yaos was killing them.) Angel #2 is whatserface that hangs out with Oric? This whole thing sounds a lot like that majigger in the Greens we smashed up.

[mastahcheese]

This is making the Illborne, the Soul Stars, and the whole system in general make a lot more sense, it even explains why the "current" character tab of Cherish isn't showing her face, she's changing.
This is, of course, assuming that we're right.
The OP says that whoever gets the answer right is the winner, but this is quickly seeming to be a group project, now that FFS mentioning my closeness has put everyone in a drive toward relavent information.

Also.

Head back to storage and get our ten pence from there, then buy Ciro 5x stat points.

+1, but save one of them, we need to get Riltia's Guard to level 5 so she can get her next ability.
Actually, Al's Nature is close too, we should save two of them.

Spoiler: In relation to fan-made game (click to show/hide)

I've updated the game I made again, I removed Co-op temporarily in favor of Character Selection. Also, Riltia is playable now, Searchbots are in, and so are healthpots.

Ninja'd by Monk12.