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Re: The Crossover Thread
« Reply #690 on: April 09, 2013, 05:28:34 am »

I've been reading XSGCOM: Goa'uld Defence recently. And I just got the game...

Terran Marine versus X-COM grunt with First Alien War tech. Go.
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« Reply #691 on: April 09, 2013, 06:48:47 am »

I'd not say they'd completely stomp the 40k galaxy, though, far from it. No matter how good they are, the Imperium's just too big for a clan-based society to conquer.
Also, I'd think that in a one on one fight, Space Marines would win in a fight between them and a regular predator a la the movies simply because they're good. While predator can stealth kill the Marine, in close combat the marine generally wins.
Although I'm not sure against a military Pred.
Eh, maybe. I think agility/speed-wise any predator is superior to a space marine (maybe not chaos space marine though). Strength/endurance-wise, yes the space marine would win. It all comes down to who hits first.

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« Reply #692 on: April 09, 2013, 07:35:57 am »

Because we typically only ever see small groups of Predators hunting small groups of ill-prepared "prey" on foot. Could they do anything against, say, an Earthshaker barrage? What about Titans? How many of their ships would it take to take on an Imperial battlecruiser? Heck, even a destroyer is well over a kilometer long and armed to the teeth. You get the picture.
Their ships are small. Smaller than the DE's. But their home planet looks a lot like a cross between a craftworld and a hive city, yet surprisingly uninhabited.

Any predator vs Imperium conflict would be the predators going on jolly hunting sprees and dropping xenomorphs on everyone. Given the stealthy and potentially destructive nature of the predators, it'd be more likely to be Ordos Xenos vs Predators. You people expecting the predators to wage war on the Imperium are being silly. Just bomb them with facehuggers headcrab style.

...Though to be fair, the predators we see do go into combat half naked. In predators II I believe it was, one of the humans takes a plasma blast to the back and survives due to wearing scavenged predator armour. Judging from their big counterparts it appears they have a military/hunt leader caste.

They could win any battle against the imperium, but never win the war.

Gaunts Ghosts VS Predators.

Could they do anything against, say, an Earthshaker barrage? What about Titans? How many of their ships would it take to take on an Imperial battlecruiser? Heck, even a destroyer is well over a kilometer long and armed to the teeth. You get the picture.
Predators + Kroot dyson sphere.

The only actual experienced Predator who isn't going on a hunt to prve himself to his clan is ... that guy from AvP Requiem. I haven't seen it, but from what I hear it was pretty bad. Nevertheless, I also hear that (Wolf?) slaughtered Xenos like there was no tomorrow. So yeah, we've generally seen the Predator equivalent of teenagers becoming men or young 20somethings going on hunts to make themselves seem more manly.
I've no idea how good they are with spaceships and all that considering there isn't any lore at all on that from what I know. Like at all.
True about the success rate and the reprisal against the Imperium, but just the concept is awesome on it's own.
You know what I never got? How did that other predator know the killer catchphrase, "You are one ugly-" e.t.c.?

Was it the same one, or do they have some form of communication?

It seems to me that Predators would be interested in becoming even more buffed-up than they already are, regarding the reverse-engineering the Space Marine thing. I mean, look at the regular Marines - 8 feet tall, superhuman in every way, practically immortal, blah blah blah. Now take all that and apply it to a Predator. They'd probably be 10 feet tall, by my guesses.
Not compatible. If the predators didn't end up in an Inquistorial war or a scout war, it'd be most likely they'd only exist as fleeted glimpses in the dark, like bogeymen out to catch lone travelers.

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« Reply #693 on: April 09, 2013, 09:16:07 am »

X-COM (original, not nu-) in 40K is like any X-COM crossover: if they live long enough to do their magic, they're going to be stomping on everyone. I could easily see them starting construction on starships a month after arrival. And if they ever get their hands on geneseed...
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« Reply #694 on: April 09, 2013, 09:23:21 am »

I'm betting that X-Com space marines are as incompetent as recruits in terms of clearing crash sites/space hulks. It's a law of the universe.

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« Reply #695 on: April 09, 2013, 09:26:29 am »

It depends on what you're setting the backstory for your X-COM as. If they had one of those commanders who weeded out the unfit and subjected everyone else to maximum efficiency training, they might not be. Which raises another question: X-COM Psy = Psykers?
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« Reply #696 on: April 09, 2013, 10:42:53 am »

Definitely not. When you overuse X-COM psychics, they get a headache. When you overuse Pskyers, their heads explode... if the gods are smiling on you.

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« Reply #697 on: April 09, 2013, 10:54:57 am »

Definitely not. When you overuse X-COM psychics, they get a headache. When you overuse Pskyers, their heads explode... if the gods are smiling on you.
They also have different types of power. X-COM psychics can, at best, dominate an untrained or vulnerable mind to make them do stuff (at least in the original series). 40k Psykers, or at least the ones who actually fight, can pop heads or destroy tanks.
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« Reply #698 on: April 09, 2013, 11:09:50 am »

If we're going with non-transferable medium-specific powers, then any non-40K human faction introduced into the 40K galaxy (that managed to avoid being splatted for technoheresy, cavorting with xenos, etc.) would be adored. An entire branch of humanity with inborn immunity to Warp phenomena? With non-Warp based psy talents? They'd be on that like Matt Ward on Sisters of Battle snuff films.
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« Reply #699 on: April 09, 2013, 11:16:56 am »

If we're going with non-transferable medium-specific powers, then any non-40K human faction introduced into the 40K galaxy (that managed to avoid being splatted for technoheresy, cavorting with xenos, etc.) would be adored. An entire branch of humanity with inborn immunity to Warp phenomena? With non-Warp based psy talents? They'd be on that like Matt Ward on Sisters of Battle snuff films.
Unfortunately for the faction in question. Imagine a Jedi in 40k, especially a powerful one.
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« Reply #700 on: April 09, 2013, 11:20:50 am »

Uh, we don't know that they'd be immune to Warp-based phenomena. Sure, they don't use the Warp for their abilities so they don't have to worry about daemons as much, but if a psyker decided to pop their heads or shoot lightning at them they'd probably still die.
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« Reply #701 on: April 09, 2013, 12:33:50 pm »

No, no, just in the sense that the Warp doesn't interact with them. A head explosion is a head explosion regardless of how it happens, but a mental link to a 'verse's FTL/mental-emotional plane seems like it would be specific to beings from that 'verse. Non-40K psy types can't use the Warp and can't be internally affected by it, but they can be acted upon externally by someone who can. At least that's the most reasonable way I would see it. Non-40K humans would still be susceptible to possession, etc., but non-40K psy users, espers, etc. wouldn't have the same increased risk as pskyers.
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« Reply #702 on: April 09, 2013, 12:38:32 pm »

Oh, I see. When you said "immune to Warp phenomena" I was thinking of 40k Blanks and stuff; folks who are immune to Warp shenanigans (including head explosions) at the cost of having no soul.
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« Reply #703 on: April 09, 2013, 12:41:23 pm »

Oh, I see. When you said "immune to Warp phenomena" I was thinking of 40k Blanks and stuff; folks who are immune to Warp shenanigans (including head explosions) at the cost of having no soul.


Like Jurgen!

What Flying Dice said makes sense though. Just because a X-COM psychic was transported to WH40K, it probably wouldn't retroactively make his power warp-based. Therefore he could use them without head-asploding, whereas the Psykers wouldn't have that luxury. Although the more powerful/well-trained psykers don't have to worry about it anyway, for the most part. (See Ravenor.)
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« Reply #704 on: April 09, 2013, 12:42:02 pm »

Catching back up with Cast in Gold, I find myself wondering...

... what kind of ridiculous horseshit would happen if, say, Ciphas Cain Exalted? Or... Horus or something.

Basically, how much of an exponential bullshit increase would there be if you overlaid Exaltation with WH40k. Honestly, "what would happen if X Exalted" is always an interesting question, but... still.
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