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Orange Wizard

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Re: Boring,
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2013, 11:31:48 pm »

Indeed, Hercules pisses on your so called demi-gods.
They probably drink it, too. Adventurers are like that.
No. That's disgusting.
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2013, 09:12:42 am »

No. That's disgusting.
You're missing the joke. Adventurers often drink blood and puke, even if it's from less then sanitary creatures.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2013, 09:21:49 am by AfellowDwarf »
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2013, 09:24:30 am »

No. That's disgusting.
You're missing the joke. Adventurers often drink blood and puke, even if it's from less then sanitary creatures.
You're missing the joke. Adventurers refuse to drink vomit and stagnant water from the source because "No. That's disgusting."

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Re: Boring,
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2013, 09:29:25 am »

No. That's disgusting.
You're missing the joke. Adventurers often drink blood and puke, even if it's from less then sanitary creatures.
You're missing the joke. Adventurers refuse to drink vomit and stagnant water from the source because "No. That's disgusting."
Dear amok, how did I miss that?
« Last Edit: January 16, 2013, 09:34:02 am by AfellowDwarf »
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2013, 05:01:52 pm »

The way I have fun involves powering up by sitting under a horseshoe crab for several days, then going to the nearest village and spamming the surroundings option. This leaves me with a god-powerful neigh-invulneurable adventurer and several places to go without any real clue how strong the creatures there are. Then, I kill everything and retire in some backwater to raise blue peafowl or whatever.
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2013, 05:03:41 pm »

The way I have fun involves powering up by sitting under a horseshoe crab for several days, then going to the nearest village and spamming the surroundings option. This leaves me with a god-powerful neigh-invulneurable adventurer and several places to go without any real clue how strong the creatures there are. Then, I kill everything and retire in some backwater to raise blue peafowl or whatever.
"I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I retired."

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Re: Boring,
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2013, 11:45:57 pm »

The way I have fun involves powering up by sitting under a horseshoe crab for several days, then going to the nearest village and spamming the surroundings option. This leaves me with a god-powerful neigh-invulneurable adventurer and several places to go without any real clue how strong the creatures there are. Then, I kill everything and retire in some backwater to raise blue peafowl or whatever.

Crabs are much faster to powerlevel with once you've punched their claws and four of their legs into uselessness. Set your combat preferences to grab and (if you've got a shield and/or are fully armored) no dodge and keep moving into the crab for great justice. You'll get legendary lv10+ grapple and fighting easy, and a good dodge, shield, and/or armor level along with that.

You can even do this with giant crabs, but you'll  likely have to disable their limbs by stabbing them instead. Oh, and you need to disable ALL of their limbs; learned the FUN way that giant crabs can snap a dwarf's limbs like a twig with just a single leg, and strangle a man with a free foot.
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2013, 06:10:15 am »

You sure it's faster? I've gotten to legendary+100 fighter and dodger before, and you don't even need to disable any limbs since the horseshoe crab has none. Granted, that doesn't train wrestler, but I've not found wrestling that useful when almost every attack I do hits.
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2013, 03:55:18 pm »

Different priorities I guess. With the crab method, it takes me about 15 IRL minutes for me to train Dodger, Shield, and Armor to legendary, while at the same time training wrestler and fighter all the way to legendary 10+.

And actually, I find wrestling to be VERY useful when you train it sufficiently. Strangling to unconsciousness is 100% guaranteed with a large enough level in wrestling and fighting, while the same can't be said with a weapon to the brain. Also, a high wrestling level will let you easily break grabs from creatures your size or smaller, and a very, very high wrestling levels will let you make/break holds against even gigantic creatures (it's impossible to do so otherwise unless they're already unconscious); for instance, with a bug sized-creature I modded in, I was able to strangle and break all holds against regular humans by the time I reached at least master wrestler, when before that all my holds failed and any of their holds would tear me limb from limb.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2013, 03:56:52 pm by ShinQuickMan »
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2013, 06:59:14 pm »

I've never had a lot of luck wrestling large creatures. When I try to strangle them all I get is the "You adjust your hold on the ________'s throat" message. I always thought it was because of size or strength limitations, I didn't realize it was due to insufficient wrestling skill. I must test this. To the arena!

Edit: After some tests with giant opossums and giant wild boars, I feel fairly confident that wrestling skill doesn't do jack to your capacity to strangle larger creatures. I only did one test with each, though, using a character maxed in all skills and then a character maxed in all skills besides wrestling. Whilst the opossums were strangleable either way, neither skill set could kill the boars.
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2013, 07:23:00 pm »

Different playstyles are always fun to try.
How about a swordsman/wrestler who holds his foes still with one hand and lops of limbs with his sword, then proceeds to beat them to death with the severed limbs?

Bonus points if you shatter bones with an ear or nose.
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2013, 08:15:06 pm »

I used to play characters who throttled bandits unconscious and kicked their skulls in. It was great fun until I got assigned a night troll. Night trolls don't breathe.
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2013, 10:50:25 pm »

Edit: After some tests with giant opossums and giant wild boars, I feel fairly confident that wrestling skill doesn't do jack to your capacity to strangle larger creatures. I only did one test with each, though, using a character maxed in all skills and then a character maxed in all skills besides wrestling. Whilst the opossums were strangleable either way, neither skill set could kill the boars.

Is that so... Well, there's likely some upper limit to the types of creatures you can wrestle then. I know for a fact that very tiny creatures (I'm talking size 1, when an average adult human is size 70,000 for comparison) can successfully toss, lock, and strangle creatures of human size. I'll try some tests of my own sometime.
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2013, 08:00:30 am »

As a minor datum, my legendary+15 wrestler elf can never get a move other than grabbing to stick on larger creatures, be they giant sparrows (200 dm³) or Horses (a bit more). At the same time, grabbing, taking down and tossing around wolves, mountain goats and wolverines always worked flawlessly since she had expert or so wrestling.

I do suspect that there's either a hard cutoff for effective wrestling which depends entirely on size, or the skill levels required are absurdly high.

There also seems to be a size-related limit to what kind of limbs you can shake off a creature after biting them - i could shake off kobold hands and feet, but of wren men, i could only tear off the hands, not the feet, and on goblins, only fingers and toes were obtainable (and ears and noses, of course).
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Re: Boring,
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2013, 12:29:10 pm »

All I am really waiting for is ability to use Dwarf Mode skills (Mining, all types of Crafting and building) and then I may as well ignore all other things.
Let me build a shack in the wild, goddamnit.
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