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Author Topic: Wagon train to the stars: Settling down (Salvation spin-off)  (Read 20295 times)

tryrar

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Re: Wagon train to the stars: Settling down (Salvation spin-off)
« Reply #180 on: February 06, 2013, 06:21:55 pm »

I agree with xtank, we can back off on production a little. Also, create more of those large silicon capacitors and hook them up to the solar plant to expand storage, and see if we can rig up some sort of silicate-based solar panels to try to expand power output. Also, I agree that we should mount a large-scale excavation of the wreck so we can see if there's any sort of power plant still intact. Captain Garlik willl instruct the entire Marine force to assist in this operation, as this will give everyone the power supplies they need to operate.

Also, 10ebbor, DO we have FTL comm capability right now? If so, I second sending off a report to the central government requesting help in decryption of the mainframe, as well as reporting the successes we've had so far and requesting additional colonists sent so we can expand our manpower.
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Re: Wagon train to the stars: Settling down (Salvation spin-off)
« Reply #181 on: February 06, 2013, 06:24:13 pm »

We should consider sending the Survivor, the drone, and a small team (20 people or so) to Lympha to recover some water for our own use and to capture/study specimens of Lympha's native aquaculture in order to determine if there is anything to our benefit on Lympha.  The expedition should follow standard decontamination and quarantine protocols upon their return to Sable.
Earl will come along. Then, he will try to engineer some form of life into one edible to humans, using any Terran genes needed...
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« Reply #182 on: February 06, 2013, 06:30:43 pm »

Also, thought of something else. As soon as the short-term crops come in, we can probably cut down on power usage on the farm a little, keeping at least enough to keep the long term crops going, and once those come in, we'll probably have enough supplies to cut crop sizes in half, reducing power consumption
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No. I suppose there are similarities, but I'm fairly certain angry birds doesn't let me charge into a battalion of knights with a car made of circular saws.

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Re: Wagon train to the stars: Settling down (Salvation spin-off)
« Reply #183 on: February 06, 2013, 06:34:08 pm »

1)I agree with xtank, we can back off on production a little.

2)Also, create more of those large silicon capacitors and hook them up to the solar plant to expand storage...

1)Reducing the power to the refinery would reduce production.  It just would not send it to a total stop.

2)There is no reason to expand the storage when we are using none of the storage.  As I said, we should expand the plant itself.  Searching for a generator inside the ship would be a good idea.
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« Reply #184 on: February 06, 2013, 06:40:02 pm »

OK then, instead of the capacitors we should conentrate then on excavating the ruins and seeing if we can fashion more solar panels
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This fort really does sit on the event horizon of madness and catastrophe
No. I suppose there are similarities, but I'm fairly certain angry birds doesn't let me charge into a battalion of knights with a car made of circular saws.

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« Reply #185 on: February 06, 2013, 08:07:18 pm »

We need to terraform eventually. Bring water to this dry and barren land. Lots and lots of it. And biomass to start a proper soil structure. Then algae, plants, fish, reptiles, you know.

Speaking of herps, what is the planet's average temperature? Tropical and temperate regions? Also where we're at?

Ukrainian Ranger

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« Reply #186 on: February 06, 2013, 11:19:11 pm »

Yes we need the expedition, because we do need water for many things, including:

1) Low tech solar power generators. The ones that boil water.
2) Algae farms. If not for food those can be distilled into diesel\ethanol and be a part of our co2 to oxygen recycling. Of cause we can't do that underground in effective manner. We need glass  to make bassins with access to sun.

Remember the reason why we chose the planet: Sunlight. we should use it in any way possible.

Solarplants\agriculture\Lenses+mirrors for heating stuff ( with that close to sun we can smelt some things with sunlight easily)

Of cause we should start mining and producing tin,  solder  is a nice thing to have. Bronze and pewter can't hurt either
Also tin is useful in glass production ( google Pilkington process)


BTW:
Maximilian will use all his spare time and knowledge about glass and, together with some, engineers will  try to create a glass furnace, either by modifying a small part of  the refinery, or building a new building from available stone and other materials. Main goal is to launch a small scale hardened glass production, but regular glass sheets is the first goal. Lenses production is the second

I dislike the idea to contact the government, government = taxes and other problems... We don't need it ATM
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Re: Wagon train to the stars: Settling down (Salvation spin-off)
« Reply #187 on: February 07, 2013, 01:10:07 am »

Also, 10ebbor, DO we have FTL comm capability right now? If so, I second sending off a report to the central government requesting help in decryption of the mainframe, as well as reporting the successes we've had so far and requesting additional colonists sent so we can expand our manpower.

Nope. Also, you're not a governement sponsored colonization effort. You got their permission (actually, they just declared an entire area open for colonization) but that's about it.
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« Reply #188 on: February 07, 2013, 01:44:25 am »

In that case:
    • What will it take to get us some FTL comms?
    • How long would it take to courier the database on the Saviour back to a government facility that could do what we want done with the database?
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« Reply #189 on: February 07, 2013, 02:21:13 am »

1) Why are you so obssesed with that database?
2) Why do you think that local government will care about database from the old ship
3) Don't you think that it is little unwise to send completely unarmed cargoship to another system?(even expeditions in systems look dangerus, but we need some water... BTW, do we have enough containers to store water? Else expedition is poitless)
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« Reply #190 on: February 07, 2013, 02:25:24 am »

Yeah, if we don't have the resources to decrypt the data and we can't reliably get outside help for it, I say screw it, I guess we'll just never know what was on the computers before we wipe and reformat them to re purpose them into the comm facility. I'm still hoping to also integrate a colony-wide sensor net into the comm tower to help with early warning(i don't mean just actives, but a large passive array works too), and these electronics will help with that
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No. I suppose there are similarities, but I'm fairly certain angry birds doesn't let me charge into a battalion of knights with a car made of circular saws.

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« Reply #191 on: February 07, 2013, 11:50:15 am »

Yeah, if we don't have the resources to decrypt the data and we can't reliably get outside help for it, I say screw it, I guess we'll just never know what was on the computers before we wipe and reformat them to re purpose them into the comm facility. I'm still hoping to also integrate a colony-wide sensor net into the comm tower to help with early warning(i don't mean just actives, but a large passive array works too), and these electronics will help with that
It's a compact database, not a computer. So no computational capability, and it might have sustained some damage. Besides, these were probably the ship's log, hence a large datastorage, and high durability, which will be opposed by rather slow reading and writing times. So not that optimal for a comm circuit, unless you want to record everything for some reason.

Oh, and just as note, Open source software capable of utilizing more than X year old topsecret military hardware tends to be rare.

And 3: The governement is not your friend.

In that case:
    • What will it take to get us some FTL comms?
    • How long would it take to courier the database on the Saviour back to a government facility that could do what we want done with the database?
1) I described the different FTL comms a way back. There's the short range, which you have, but those are insystem only. (Not a hard limit, but the intrasystem distances are too large)
    There's the other comm system, which relies on a network of advanced jumpbeacons transmitting data. While there are jumpbeacons in your area (only way to travel), these are quite old. It's unlikely they'll open these for civilian useage.

2) Depends on which governement you want to give them to. There's the local sector governement, 2-3 jumps away (A good 2-3 days travel, or more). The edge of the inner sectors is a good 50-60 jumps away making for at least a month long expedition (one way). The inner systems itself might take even longer to move. Also, governements are not really known to decrypt secret information on request of civilians.
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« Reply #192 on: February 07, 2013, 12:01:54 pm »

Well, in that case, I guess they'll just sit then, since we  probably won't have the resources for a pretty long while to decrypt them
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This fort really does sit on the event horizon of madness and catastrophe
No. I suppose there are similarities, but I'm fairly certain angry birds doesn't let me charge into a battalion of knights with a car made of circular saws.

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« Reply #193 on: February 07, 2013, 02:28:37 pm »

*snip*

The database is useless for now and FTL communications with more advanced planets is essentially out of the picture.


Well, I guess we do like tryrar suggests and sit on it until we can recover the data, or we attempt to re-use the hardware for our own purposes.
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Re: Wagon train to the stars: Settling down (Salvation spin-off)
« Reply #194 on: February 07, 2013, 04:36:14 pm »

Don't erase the database, there's not much we could do with it.
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