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[Schmoe]

I just dumped my Champion's (Iron chain mail), figuring she needed some better protection.  So what did she do?  She went and grabbed "Deg Kisat", a Silver plate mail worth about 212k dwarfbucks.  That's cool and all, and I'm sure she looks like a bad-ass (it's got an image of a dwarf striking down a goblin), but wouldn't she be better off with some nice *Steel plate mail*?  I'm considering dumping the silver plate off of her, but I wanted to hear what other people have to say first.

[Anonemoose]

Doesn't the fact that the armour is legendary cause the quality of the armor protection wise to increase as well?

[smeej]

Artifacts have a value bonus, but I am unaware of any actual increase in effectiveness, unless it automatically counts as Masterful. Even if that were the case, silver is fairly weak (to my knowledge) and a Masterful silver piece is as effective as a basic iron piece.

Steel is always the way to go. The only problem is I don't think dwarves will drop artifacts once they've taken them. : /

[ June 02, 2008: Message edited by: smeej ]

[DR]

The artifact quality bonus is better than masterwork, though it's not clear how much better.

[loser]

I believe Toady has said that legendary was better, perhaps significantly better, than masterful.

You are suggesting using *quality* items, which have a modifier of 1.6.  Steel has a modifier of 1.33 and Silver has a modifier of 0.5.  Assuming these modifiers multiply with each other, the math goes like this.

code:

X x 0.5 >= 1.6 x 1.33
    X/2 >= 2.128
      X >= 2 x 2.128
      X >= 4.256

The legendary modifer would have to be better than 4.256, if the modifiers multiply like that.

[smeej]

Will dwarves give up Artifacts once equipped?

[Deon]

They won't, but you still can dump items from them.

About efficiency, wiki says clearly:

quote:Artifact items have a quality modifier of 120×. This is applied on top of the item's base value, its decorations and the value of all materials used in its construction.

Silver has 50% efficiency. Thus a silver artifact armor has 120x0.50=60x iron value and 60/1.3=45,15 times better than a usual [steel armor] or 60/(1.3x12)=3,85 times better than a [☼masterful steel plate☼]

[Derakon]

120x seems ludicrous; I'd believe 12x, though.

[smeej]

120x is the value modifier. The combat modifiers are unknown.
http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Quality

"Legendary artifact items have a unique name instead of bracketing symbols and are worth 120x base value. They have a higher combat modifier than Masterful items, although the specific modifier is unknown. Artifacts, like masterpiece items, will cause a significant mood drop in the creator when destroyed or stolen."

For example, a Masterwork weapon has a value modifier of 12x, but a combat modifier of 2x.

[Deon]

Read again that article and ARTIFACT article.
120x QUALITY modifier.
And quality stands for damage too, it's the same parameter which is affected by good-crafted status.

I was wrong about 120x damage though but I think there's some kind of progression. Or maybe these parameters are different, but I don't see a reason to differentiate QUALITY and VALUE then, it confuses me.

[ June 02, 2008: Message edited by: Deon ]

[smeej]

Yeah, I'm really confused by most of what I'm reading. I'm just assuming it's insanely valuable and somewhat more powerful than a Masterful item. I keep all my artifacts in a vault so I don't have to think about this anyway. ^^

[Kagus]

The common theory is that it provides a bonus of x5.  However, that is just theory, the real numbers are unknown.

I wonder if even Toady knows what it is...

[Cthulhu]

120x, that would be epic.  Imagine an artifact adamantine warhammer, you'd put things in orbit.

[Deon]

I had this thing =).
And it sent thing to fly pretty far.
Though it wasn't 120x then because  I didn't kill a demon in 1 hit (it took me to land 3 hits, and every time he was flying away).

[Schmoe]

Well, that seems pretty damn nice.  I think I'll let the dwarf-chick keep her shiny armor.  It's a good thing that combat doesn't damage armor, otherwise I'd have a pissed off armorer before too long.