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[Aseaheru]

I think the discussion is risk-free bionic removal. Seeing as there's a high chance you'll suffer massive injuries under normal circumstances.

What is this, Kiddie Cataclysm?

If its done via a new computer that can shock you, summon combat robots or similar when you dont have enough skill? Thats not kiddy level.

[Micro102]

If you are performing surgery on yourself to, what is essentially separating a machine attached to nerves and other various parts of your body... chances are that you are going to hurt yourself.Frankly I think it's currently too easy to attack bionic to yourself. You could literally be naked with no items, and with your bare hands attach what seems to be a CBM to your nervous system in some way. You should at least need some tools, with better quality improving install chance.

[Aseaheru]

I think that the discription for the CBMs states that they come with everything needed to install it.

[Girlinhat]

Yeah, a CBM is a full kit with basic self-installation ability.  My headcanon is that you use the CBM to scan yourself, then program it on how to install based on that information, so you're using your own skills to program how it'll mount itself, then it attaches and mounts itself.  If you programmed it poorly, you suffer.

[IcyTea31]

As you'd expect from the name Compact Bionic Module, they're quite compact, sometimes bionic, and most importantly, modular. The problem is, the human/posthuman body isn't modular, so failures are probable. For the same reason, removing them shouldn't be easy, either.

Girlinhat's theory would work better if CBM's used the Computers skill to at least some degree, but they don't. As Mechanics is also involved, there is definitely at least something done by hand in the installation.

[Girlinhat]

Well, they use Electronics, Intelligence, and First Aid skills to install...  Specifically the formula for "bionic installation skill level" is 4x Electronics, 4x Intelligence, and 1x First Aid, to determine how much each skill raises your success chance.  So, y'know, robots and meth.

[IcyTea31]

Has it changed? Last time I checked, it was weighted 3 to Electronics, 2 to First aid and 1 to Mechanics, with an Intelligence-based multiplier to the sum. I could definitely be wrong, but I'm sure Mechanics also improves success chance somehow.

[Girlinhat]

I'm pretty sure it's been the same since old Whales days...

[Sheb]

I do remember mechanic being used somehow.

[Angle]

I remember mechanics AD computers, so... *Shrugs*

[andrewas]

Isn't it 4*INT + 4*Elec + 3* first aid + 1*mechanics?

[Sindain]

Quoth the Wiki

Difficulty = Adjusted Skill / (4 * Bionic Difficulty)
Adjusted Skill = Skill - min(40, Skill - Skill / 10)
Skill = Intelligence * 4 + Electronics * 4 + First Aid * 3 + Mechanics

(Though of course, this could be outdated.)

[Girlinhat]

What's a decent weapon for fighting shocker types?  Do non-metal weapons ignore the shock-on-attack problem?  There's not any low-volume or sheathable weapons that aren't metal...

[wer6]

A pistol, Silenced.

[Girlinhat]

A pistol, Silenced.

I've got a pistol, and I don't care about silence.  Just that ammo isn't -totally- free.  I need to start raiding out gun stores so I can amass bountiful piles of .45 though...