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[andrewas]

No, it's not that bad. It's still a bitch (no pun intended) early on, but mostly when you get mobbed by wolves or harrassed by zombie dogs while being chased by a horde of zombies.

They're also vulnerable to throwing, which is why all my starter characters tote a pile of rocks with them, and my more experienced characters have a stack of lawn darts, or throwing knives, or other decent throwing weapons at all times.

[BFEL]

No, it's not that bad. It's still a bitch (no pun intended) early on, but mostly when you get mobbed by wolves or harrassed by zombie dogs while being chased by a horde of zombies.

They're also vulnerable to throwing, which is why all my starter characters tote a pile of rocks with them, and my more experienced characters have a stack of lawn darts, or throwing knives, or other decent throwing weapons at all times.

So what you're saying is we need to find a way to make our characters "throw their fist"? And then we will be unstoppable.

[beorn080]

I wonder if it's possible to have so much dodge that nothing can hit you.

I'd have to look at the code to be sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the function was asymptotic.

--

So I checked the code.

At least I can now say that you can always be hit, no matter how high your dodge skill and dexterity gets.

For some reason, it's easier to fall over with one rollerskate/blade than with two.  Makes no sense IMO.

Whatever you do, don't wear a rollerskate and a rollerblade at the same time.  Even with 20 dodge and 20 dex you'll be knocked down pretty much always.

If you have already dodged this turn, you get a penalty to your chance to try to dodge, as well as a huge one to your chance to dodge if you try to dodge.  Wow that's insanely and unnecessarily overcomplicated.

The answer to dodge is to start with Zui Quan. From the wiki

Also known as "drunken boxing", Zui Quan imitates the movement of a drunk to confuse the enemy. The turn after you attack, you may dodge any number of attacks with no penalty.

I actually think the practical limit is 50 attacks, but there should be almost no point in time where you have to dodge over 50 attacks and aren't dead for other reasons anyway.

[Cheedows]

I wonder if it's possible to have so much dodge that nothing can hit you.

I'd have to look at the code to be sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the function was asymptotic.

--

So I checked the code.

At least I can now say that you can always be hit, no matter how high your dodge skill and dexterity gets.

For some reason, it's easier to fall over with one rollerskate/blade than with two.  Makes no sense IMO.

Whatever you do, don't wear a rollerskate and a rollerblade at the same time.  Even with 20 dodge and 20 dex you'll be knocked down pretty much always.

If you have already dodged this turn, you get a penalty to your chance to try to dodge, as well as a huge one to your chance to dodge if you try to dodge.  Wow that's insanely and unnecessarily overcomplicated.

The answer to dodge is to start with Zui Quan. From the wiki

Also known as "drunken boxing", Zui Quan imitates the movement of a drunk to confuse the enemy. The turn after you attack, you may dodge any number of attacks with no penalty.

I actually think the practical limit is 50 attacks, but there should be almost no point in time where you have to dodge over 50 attacks and aren't dead for other reasons anyway.

I find it hilarious how Zui Quan actually works against zombies, since I doubt they actually get confused.

[Gentlefish]

I wonder if it's possible to have so much dodge that nothing can hit you.

I'd have to look at the code to be sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the function was asymptotic.

--

So I checked the code.

At least I can now say that you can always be hit, no matter how high your dodge skill and dexterity gets.

For some reason, it's easier to fall over with one rollerskate/blade than with two.  Makes no sense IMO.

Whatever you do, don't wear a rollerskate and a rollerblade at the same time.  Even with 20 dodge and 20 dex you'll be knocked down pretty much always.

If you have already dodged this turn, you get a penalty to your chance to try to dodge, as well as a huge one to your chance to dodge if you try to dodge.  Wow that's insanely and unnecessarily overcomplicated.

The answer to dodge is to start with Zui Quan. From the wiki

Also known as "drunken boxing", Zui Quan imitates the movement of a drunk to confuse the enemy. The turn after you attack, you may dodge any number of attacks with no penalty.

I actually think the practical limit is 50 attacks, but there should be almost no point in time where you have to dodge over 50 attacks and aren't dead for other reasons anyway.

I find it hilarious how Zui Quan actually works against zombies, since I doubt they actually get confused.

Well they're just husks inhabited by intelligent good from another dimension. Sure they shamble but they have the capacity for confusion.

[ollobrains]

brainless confusion versus drunken confusion

[DreamThorn]

I think I get it now...  having one rollerskate/blade means you only have one foot.  That would make things difficult.

Also, if there's a mutation that gives you more feet, that would be awesome.  Or stupid.

[scrdest]

Well they're just husks inhabited by intelligent good from another dimension. Sure they shamble but they have the capacity for confusion.

Well, they also have the capacity for being stunned, so their nervous system works *somehow*. It's just presumably different from regular human nervous system.

[Tawa]

I think I get it now...  having one rollerskate/blade means you only have one foot.  That would make things difficult.

Also, if there's a mutation that gives you more feet, that would be awesome.  Or stupid.

There is! Tentacle legs.

[Iceblaster]

Tentacle legs is near useless except for silent movement

The image however is funny.

An eight(6?) tentacle legged person skating with an AK-47 all tacticooled up.

[Arcvasti]

Well. I am mostly horrible at this game. Out of 10 games, only one of them did decently[Due to having a HUGE cache of stuff in the starting bunker], only to get mauled by a web spider. At least my current[11th] character is doing decent. I love my knife spear.

[i2amroy]

I think I get it now...  having one rollerskate/blade means you only have one foot.  That would make things difficult.

Actually it's because the game supports individualized limb clothing. However the original PR that did it had the portion that split all of the current clothes into 2 separate left and rights had that part rejected unless some UI improvements could be done. As such there's a fair bit of background code that's designed as if you could have individual left and right shoes and gloves.

[Arcvasti]

And there goes my latest character. Killed by a zombie hulk. Although not after killing a whole lot of zombies like a badass. Note to self: Get a sleeping mat or something in future. They're important.

[Akura]

Tentacle legs is near useless except for silent movement

The image however is funny.

An eight(6?) tentacle legged person skating with an AK-47 all tacticooled up.

Someone please draw this, I cannot at the moment.

[scrdest]

And there goes my latest character. Killed by a zombie hulk. Although not after killing a whole lot of zombies like a badass. Note to self: Get a sleeping mat or something in future. They're important.

Eh, not really. If you smash a window and get some two-by-fours and nails (and a hammer), you can build a makeshift bed practically on day one. And warmth is easily obtainable by piling a ton of clothes, although a blanket is preferable.