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[azmodean]

It was a bit of a pain as expected, and we've more or less written off Visual Studio.  gcc, clang, and mingw will have to do.  Probably could have done it a few months ago, but the last time it came up was 6-8 months ago, and I think it would have been a lot harder to migrate even then.

Doesn't VS have partial support for C++11? Do you use features not supported by it?

I've used several C++11 features with visual studio. As far as I've heard it's fully supported in VS2013, why would we have to write it off?

The official Microsoft feature table seems to disagree:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh567368.aspx
Out of the features missing from 2013, I can definitely see using constexpr and unicode literals.  Out of the features additionally missing from 2012, I can see wanting initializer lists and explicit.  2010 is of course a total wash.  That doesn't even cover the standard library, they claim they implement it in full, but all the holes in language support don't give me a lot of confidence.

More importantly, the fact that VS does not implement the full specification means it's a minefield.  It means we can use legal c++11 constructs that will fail to compile on visual studio, and since we have no way of testing against visual studio regularly like we do with the other compilers, those issues can silently accumulate until someone tries to compile on visual studio and it breaks.
This was a big part of my reason to not migrate to c++11 earlier, but instead we're ditching VS support.
At the moment, everything else works, and visual studio 2012 throws these linker errors:

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  If you feel like sorting these out and making PRs that fix them, feel free, but I'm skeptical that we'll be able to maintain compatibility with VS's partial implementation of c++11.

[Akura]

Start a new game, I step outside the shelter and, "You feel a cold coming on". That quick, huh. I get my normal beginning stuff made, and head to a nearby mansion, where I get mobbed by zombies.


Next game, I'm crafting some arrows from the shelter's furniture, and an NPC robs me. The crafting doesn't stop despite the robbery, losing my tools for the job(and most of the materials), or getting subsequently shot in the arm with one of these. I proceeded to beat the robber to death with a piece of splintered wood after he ran out of bullets.

[Morrigi]

Start a new game, I step outside the shelter and, "You feel a cold coming on". That quick, huh. I get my normal beginning stuff made, and head to a nearby mansion, where I get mobbed by zombies.


Next game, I'm crafting some arrows from the shelter's furniture, and an NPC robs me. The crafting doesn't stop despite the robbery, losing my tools for the job(and most of the materials), or getting subsequently shot in the arm with one of these. I proceeded to beat the robber to death with a piece of splintered wood after he ran out of bullets.

Seems legit.

[Cheedows]

NPCS would be really nice to revamp, but I understand if some things are priority. But yes, NPCs have GREAT gear that is usually very high end, but tend not to use them to full capability.

[beorn080]

Would an "easy" way to fix this be to limit the starting shelter NPCs to just the professions offered on player gen? So, you might end up with an angry blackbelt or soldier or something, but that should reduce the incidence rate of "I've got a machine gun and you have an advil I want".

[azmodean]

The easy fix is keep NPCs disabled.
The next easiest after that is to have them use weighted spawn like everything else.  Right now they're just as likely to get the rarest rifle in the game as they are to get the most common.

[Farce]

Perhaps slightly spammish, but, 6 fabrication irl, you say.

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Story supposedly being:
>It was built by an 80 year old retired engineer and war veteran. He had been a machinegun gunner in the war and had always been fascinated with machineguns.
>So one day he just decided to build one by himself and designed and created this .22lr machinegun.
>Then he went to the police station to show it and tried to apply for a license. (Technically you can build your own gun legally in Finland but you would have to get a permit for that BEFORE you start building. And fully automatic gun licenses are reserved for licensed gun collectors.)
>The police didn't have it in their hearts to arrest him for all the violations of law that the old man had done so they just confiscated the gun and gave it a place of honour in the national police museum.

[UristMcDwarf]

AKHIER DRAGONHEART I HAVE A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU

Why do you butcher zombie corpses instead of just smashing them in your videos?

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

Survival Skill grinding and some of them are worth it.

[UristMcDwarf]

Survival Skill grinding and some of them are worth it.

I find a better way to grind survival is to make a fire bow (or whatever it's called) and keep attempting to light a bush on fire.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   I guess I shouldn't have used the word grinding as it doesn't really capture the reason. Yes grinding a bush with a fire bow till the friction causes fire is a better way. Problem is that it isn't very good viewing. If I sit there doing that then I just end up with another section I cut out like when I work on tailoring. I have to deal with zombie corpses anyway so I might as well use them as a passive way to up my survival skill.

[UristMcDwarf]

That is some very sound thinking.
I guess the meta changes when you're on camera. 

[joemoben]

I just had one of those great experiences that just make you chuckle in game. I had just made a Lajatang and was testing it out on a cougar. The cougar ran away so I started to walk back to my base, but then realized I no longer had the lajatang. This caused me to first pull out my machete, and then I did three bumps of coke. I like to think that my guy was just screaming while waving around the machete and chasing a cougar down. Once I had killed the cougar and realized that my lajatang wasn't stuck in it, so that made me sad. Then I realized that the coke made me smarter. I thus ran back to base, did three more bumps and installed about 12 bionics, only failing one. I am now dealing with cocaine withdrawal and still haven't found my lajatang, to my great shame. Although, with my new mini flamethrower I can now clean up the piles of gore surrounding my base.

EDIT: Also just accidental ate my gallon jug that I use for water. All of my sighs.

[UristMcDwarf]

coke made me smarter.

well that's news to me


when are "cutting qualities" gonna be implemented? everything is just cutting quality 1 right now isn't it?

[Fniff]

One would think doing a load of coke then installing extreme amounts of cybernetic implants involving complicated surgery would be inadvisable, but...