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[chaoticag]

But is it fatal to Humvees?

[Sean Mirrsen]

But is it fatal to Humvees?

Hmm. Well, after upping the required strength a little, I was able to nearly total a Humvee running it into a tree full speed. Sent the engine block into the red, took out half the windscreen, tore off a passenger door, other damage... so yeah.

The APC still treats a forest like a drill does a wooden plank though.

[Sharp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wimFnubzrQ

Tank vs tree.

I think that is an M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank, it weights approximately 61,000 kg (61t) and has a 1500hp engine, to put that into perspective a V6 has around 250hp. An APC like the Boxer weighs 33t and has a 711hp engine.

An APC could knock down an oak tree, but I think it would be pretty fucked up and probably break the engine.

[WhitiusOpus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wimFnubzrQ

Tank vs tree.

I think that is an M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank, it weights approximately 61,000 kg (61t) and has a 1500hp engine, to put that into perspective a V6 has around 250hp. An APC like the Boxer weighs 33t and has a 711hp engine.

An APC could knock down an oak tree, but I think it would be pretty fucked up and probably break the engine.

For one, that M1 was going nowhere near it's top speed of about 50-60 mph. Also, the tank wasn't damaged, the tree barely so. Sure, a tree should be able to stop an APC, but those things go upwards of 70 mph, with much greater momentum. Also, with the steel plating it has, nothing would be damaged. Sure, it might be stalled, but it won't have fucked up armor and engine. Especially since wood can't destroy the steel plating of a military vehicle, designed for shit like this to happen at one point.

Note that I didn't say it was designed to specifically run over trees, but something like this was bound to happen at one point, so the engineers took that into consideration.

[NullForceOmega]

As an ex-19K it is painfully obvious to me that the driver had released the accelerator and the Abrams was stopping as it struck the tree.  A fully loaded M1-A2 Abrams masses 68 imperial tons, about the same in metric.  The top speed is considerably higher than 60 mph, the Army just doesn't like us disengaging the limiter, as we are much more likey to plow tracks above 'safe' speed. The Abrams can smash through four-foot thick reinforced concrete supports without slowing down, and suffer only minor distorsion of the glacis plating, so tank vs. tree = fallen tree.

[Girlinhat]

It was obvious to ME that he was slowing down.  You're not gonna run through anything if you're decelerating as you approach it, even if you DO smash it, you'll still just stop atop it...

What I think REALLY needs to change, is vehicle hardness.  Right now, vehicle parts have a durability, but no 'armor' value.  Just like personal armor, it should be capable of totally negating an attack with enough hardness.  There is NO REASON a zombie dog can chew through a heavy duty frame covered in military composite armor...

If vehicle parts are given an armor value that can negate damage taken, then it's just a matter of checking "This car has a simple frame, it takes the impact of the tree in full" or "This car has serious armor, it takes no damage."

[Ivefan]

If vehicle parts are given an armor value that can negate damage taken, then it's just a matter of checking "This car has a simple frame, it takes the impact of the tree in full" or "This car has serious armor, it takes no damage."

Though as it is now, armor/plating is a separate thing from frames. Welding plating over the whole car is basically just a turtle in its shell. Throw the turtle at 90kmps and the inside would still break.
There would need to be some calculation of structural strength in collisions but against attacks an armor value would be nice.

Problem is game balance though. Getting a good car can be done quite fast if one focus on it and if you then can armor it against creatures then you dont have to worry anymore.

[Funk]

You have to leave it some.

[Gentlefish]

You only don't have to worry about them so long as you are in the vehicle. You still have to deal with the hordes of zombears that spawn like magic.

I can't wait for z-levels because maybe that will mean hatches in the tops of cars and the ability for zombies to swarm on top of the car itself to break the roof. 

[Ivefan]

You only don't have to worry about them so long as you are in the vehicle. You still have to deal with the hordes of zombears that spawn like magic.

Yet another roadkill. You just keep running over anything that moves until nothing does, then you get out and fetch whatever you wanted and go back into the car.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I suggest trying that again in the current builds.

[BFEL]

Interestingly, I just recently had my first experience with a working vehicle. Specifically a truck in a parking garage.

DRIVING IS HARD. Also crashing hard makes the game do the same. And I was doing SOOOOOO fucking awesome with that character too

[scrdest]

Driving is not _that_ hard, but you have to drive as you would want to safely drive IRL.

[Sharp]

Sorry i think my tank vs tree video had the opposite effect because of the driver. I wasn't trying to say tanks can't run over trees, it's hard (for me) to find youtoob vids of tanks running over trees. This is more to halt point of trees being indestructible, but showing that you do need a lot of force to run it over.

Especially since wood can't destroy the steel plating of a military vehicle, designed for shit like this to happen at one point.

I'm pretty sure it can, especially at high speeds. When tanks are running over trees they don't do it at full speed they do it slowly and deliberately, if a tank ran at a tree at full speed it could probably take the impact (on a pine tree, not a redwood) but it would be risky, an APC though I would say no, an APC could probably take down trees like a tank while doing it slowly depending on the engine, obviously not as big a tree as a tank could.

Trees are pretty big obstacles for vehicles at speed, even tanks.

[Greiger]

I think I kinda have to agree with that.  Hit something hard at high enough speed and it will do some damage even if yer armored.  The hard thing you hit is going to go away but it will probably bend some metal if yer going fast enough no matter what you hit.

It's pretty gruesome but if a car hits a pedestrian at high speed the pedestrian isn't going to be the only thing screwed up.  There will most certainly be a good amount of bent metal at the impact site, and a person isn't nearly as hard or as immobile as a full grown tree.  I don't care what your armor is made of hit a tree at high speed you will take some damage. 

Even if your armor itself is somehow unscathed, where the armor connects to the frame will look like a horror show.  The energy has to go somewhere and it can't all go into the tree.  I think there's a law of physics in there somewhere that I can't remember anymore.