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Author Topic: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - A roaming horde appears on the horizon!  (Read 1886681 times)

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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7065 on: September 30, 2013, 02:02:12 pm »

I have returned.

Light survivor suit: Can be fitted. Reinforced with a soldering iron/kevlar plates, (hard to do, but means it's likely durable). It is rainproof.

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Dogs:
I imagine they'd only be useful around a base, or if one scavenges primarily in lightly-populated areas/has a low spawn density. Otherwise the dogs'd just get mobbed after kamikaze-charging.
Also, can they indeed be tamed?

Sounds pretty handy. I'll have to go ahead and make one.

As for dogs, I know they could be tamed at least in .6. Haven't tried in .8 yet.
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7066 on: September 30, 2013, 02:06:49 pm »

Yipes, this thread has gotten hard to follow.
"Just to play devil's advocate here..."
...I'm the devil? 0_0... (´)
Anyway, I poked at the collision code, and while it's not perfect, my testing doesn't have vehicles (even as small as a regular car) getting hung up on bushes at anything above 10MPh.  Also shock damage from impact falls off exponentially with distance from the impact, so a plow type structure jutting forward from the vehicle would work as desired.

The M249 turret was broken by a data conversion we did a while back, there's a PR pending for it that fixes it.  It basically lost it's cargo space it needs for ammo.
The plasma gun works, but needs a hydrogen tank with hydrogen stocked to work.
The fusion turret is currently broken pending hooking it up to a storage battery and giveing it cargo space for fusion cells.
Flamethrower never stopped working I think.
I'll update all the vehicle turret descriptions to outline how the handle ammo since it's not obvious.

NPCs are still fairly broken, but GlyphGryph has declared next month to be the "month of the NPC" and is rallying people to work on them.  We've made the very difficult decision to abandon the current NPC codebase, it's so messed up it's discouraging people from working on it, so we're making a fresh start.  We have a low-level design in place to unify various aspects of monsters/NPCs/PCs and specialize them where they're different, and GlyphGryph has started on it.

Someone asked about flaming weapons transitively lighting buildings on fire via zombies.  Burning monsters don't currently light their surroundings on fire.  I looked into this a while back and it didn't seem to be worth the trouble because even very tough monsters would drop within a turn or two once lit on fire, so the prospects for them spreading fire were very poor.

Random side note: I have an Orange-Wing Amazon named Menchi.
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7067 on: September 30, 2013, 02:14:43 pm »

To be fair, it's somewhat misleading to say that you're playing devil's advocate when you're espousing what amounts to an uncontested majority opinion.
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7068 on: September 30, 2013, 02:18:09 pm »

Trying 0.8 after some month of not playing Cataclysm and wow, this game is hard??
Why can't I go anywhere near a town without beign rushed by 1000 zombies? :D

I mean, how do you even survive a little bit? Where do you find your stuff 'the safe way'?
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7069 on: September 30, 2013, 02:24:46 pm »

Very slowly, with a crowbar bushes, wreckage, windows, and a good pair of running shoes for when the specials come out to play.
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7070 on: September 30, 2013, 02:32:17 pm »

Also crafting every opportunity. Can get a lot from a little.

(plus options are very liberal in how much control we get. It doesn't have to be as hard (or easy) as it is by default)
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7071 on: September 30, 2013, 02:40:09 pm »

1000 zombies? I find that hard to believe unless you adjusted the spawn density setting...
Unless there's a bug no one has reported where it isn't set to 1.0? :P
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7072 on: September 30, 2013, 02:47:13 pm »

Human Nature: Making the apocalypse more horrifying than Eldritch horrors since 10,000 B.C.!


YYyyyyyyeah. Remember that 'awful thing' I mentioned anticipating? Turns out I was right, and it was four fucking rabid NPCs. I actually fled by setting the forest behind me on fire, but a spider topped it off. Although I save-scummed back to an earlier save. Oh yeah, and I was killed because I had to make a raid to obtain a GODDAMN LIGHTER/MATCHBOOK. There needs to be a way to make flint and steel or something.

Incidentally, I discovered that your starting matchbook is absurdly powerful if you know how to use it. And I mean ABSURDLY. Kite an enemy on a small tree and use three matches/lighter three times on the tree to turn the tile into a blazing fire. It is enough to kill most enemies. Ordinary zombies, no problemo. Moose? Yup, dead in a single turn. Bear survived the first turn because he was smart enough to escape the flames.
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7073 on: September 30, 2013, 02:50:50 pm »

Moose? Yup, dead in a single turn.

My god, that's game-breaking.
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7074 on: September 30, 2013, 02:52:39 pm »

Human Nature: Making the apocalypse more horrifying than Eldritch horrors since 10,000 B.C.!


YYyyyyyyeah. Remember that 'awful thing' I mentioned anticipating? Turns out I was right, and it was four fucking rabid NPCs. I actually fled by setting the forest behind me on fire, but a spider topped it off. Although I save-scummed back to an earlier save. Oh yeah, and I was killed because I had to make a raid to obtain a GODDAMN LIGHTER/MATCHBOOK. There needs to be a way to make flint and steel or something.

Isn't that what a fire-stick does, effectively?
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7075 on: September 30, 2013, 02:55:16 pm »

Trying 0.8 after some month of not playing Cataclysm and wow, this game is hard??
Why can't I go anywhere near a town without beign rushed by 1000 zombies? :D

I mean, how do you even survive a little bit? Where do you find your stuff 'the safe way'?

You can switch back to dynamic respawn in the menu.

Generally, I find that static spawn isn't too hard, but I started with static so I expect progress to be slow. If you're used to being able to race in, dodge zombies, and grab interesting loot without systematically clearing the town section by section it's a little different. Mostly because... you can't do that, you'll run into a brute, hulk, spitter, or bathroom moose very quickly. You have to be patient and procedural. Start by crafting a crude weapon from the shelter - a nail board or a knife spear are both excellent, though a garden variety pipe has the largest +hit of the beginner weapons - then find a remote section of suburb to start clearing. Throw things at the zombies, then kite them into bushes and saplings to slow them down while you batter them to pieces. Once you get your melee, piercing/bashing, thrown/firearms, and pistols/rifles/archery skills up you can clear the city with impunity - I routinely engage groups of a dozen or more zombies all at once, smashing windows out of buildings to get their attention and slaughter them en mass.

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I've used all three. You're right, the are good. I just prefer to have the best for when things go bad, because let's be honest - when things go bad, they go very bad. Metal arrows also have a phenomenal retrieval rate, a set of 10 will last you for a very long time and can be easily replaced. Nothing wrong with heavy wooden arrows, I just prefer the added security of knowing that if I really need something dead, I have the best tools available at my disposal. When things don't go bad, plastic arrows are good enough that they're a decent compromise between power and weight. It's a playstyle choice.

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YYyyyyyyeah. Remember that 'awful thing' I mentioned anticipating? Turns out I was right, and it was four fucking rabid NPCs. I actually fled by setting the forest behind me on fire, but a spider topped it off. Although I save-scummed back to an earlier save. Oh yeah, and I was killed because I had to make a raid to obtain a GODDAMN LIGHTER/MATCHBOOK. There needs to be a way to make flint and steel or something.

Incidentally, I discovered that your starting matchbook is absurdly powerful if you know how to use it. And I mean ABSURDLY. Kite an enemy on a small tree and use three matches/lighter three times on the tree to turn the tile into a blazing fire. It is enough to kill most enemies. Ordinary zombies, no problemo. Moose? Yup, dead in a single turn. Bear survived the first turn because he was smart enough to escape the flames.

I think you can make a friction fire starter at higher survival levels. Not really beginner gear though, that's why they give you matches.

Personally, I don't mind zombies being mindless and walking right into flames, they're a mob predator. Moose and bears should be actively avoiding bushes and trees. Spiders will naturally navigate diagonally around bushes, they're basically unkiteable. I don't think the fire is overpowered, I think the moose and bear AI needs to be slightly upgraded to avoid the more dangerous scenario.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2013, 02:57:47 pm by Grendus »
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7076 on: September 30, 2013, 02:56:32 pm »

Isn't that what a fire-stick does, effectively?
Yeah, there are already several different ways of crafting fire production tools, with better ones available as your survival skill increases.
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7077 on: September 30, 2013, 03:00:48 pm »

Personally, I don't mind zombies being mindless and walking right into flames, they're a mob predator. Moose and bears should be actively avoiding bushes and trees. Spiders will naturally navigate diagonally around bushes, they're basically unkiteable. I don't think the fire is overpowered, I think the moose and bear AI needs to be slightly upgraded to avoid the more dangerous scenario.

If you cannot kill a spider that way, you must exercise your inner pyromaniac some more. Given that lighters have 100 uses and are pretty light, you can make a ring of fire around yourself and the spider will be only able to pick between one tile on fire or the other.

Incidentally, it's interesting how warm clothes can only heat you up. A lot of layers should insulate you against the heat, too.
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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7078 on: September 30, 2013, 03:08:12 pm »

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Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead - Version 0.8 "Romero" released!
« Reply #7079 on: September 30, 2013, 03:38:51 pm »

I'm really not having the same moose problem that everyone else seems to be having. They do a fair bit of damage but no 1-shot kills for me yet, not unless I play hardcore mode or hardcore + glass jaw headshot.

I tried shooting some with self bow and basic arrows which didn't really work but mr moose hit me like 3 or 4 times before I whipped out Mr Ruger Redhawk and introduced him to Mr Moose's brains. It was a short but messy relationship.

As for vehicles I have noticed getting stuck on bushes some times around 20mph, I don't mind that so much, im just more annoyed with tires exploding easily which leaves you stuck. I do miss the days of being able to drive through buildings. Realism != fun.
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