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[Mephansteras]

My character is going quite well. I've secured the northern portion of a riverside town, and have been making great strides in learning how to make stuff. The only gas station and hardware stores are pretty deep in the town, though, so I haven't been able to do all that much with the garage I've liberated. Other than the failed Spike Cart project.

How good are survivor suits? They seem reasonably effective looking, based on the stats, and I do have everything I need to make one. Just not sure if it's worth it or not.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Depends on if they can be fitted or not- otherwise it's 2 encumbrance to the arms legs & torso.

[teoleo]

best way to find a car with all parts? :O)

[scrdest]

I just know something horrible is about to happen. I found a mansion my previous char cleared out (along with his corpse, butchered to retrieve bionics), it's reasonably close to a river (i.e. a short walk) to the south, and to the north begins a forest. I have a good supply of meat and clean water now that I managed to make a pot. I also have a couple of libraries to my disposal.

I predict a migration from a swamp to the east. Or a horde of angry moose. As in, a horde of a single, pissed of moose. One moose is already a horde in this game.

[Girlinhat]

Survivor suits have very nice stats - not had a chance to use one, but the numbers look very nice.  Extremely high protection and MASSIVE storage, covering the torso and legs, that's a big plus.

@teoleo - to find an intact vehicle, don't look in cities.  You'll find wrecks in cities, rarely fully functional, but nearly every vehicle you find on long roads are intact.  If you're in a city, you should particularly look for odd bits of highway that are generated when the road doubles back, or solid 4 tiles of road - when it's done in certain ways it'll treat it as a city road and spawn a vehicle, but treat it as a highway and spawn the vehicle intact.  It's a quirky bug-feature but if you know where to look, you can get lucky.

Also, parking lots, garages, and public works can spawn them.  Parking Lots include those nearby mines or sewage plants too.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

I'm out svving right now, but I may have the resources to make a light suit & check it out when I get back.

Question: what are it's material properties? (kevlar/leather/cotton etc?)



Also: it would be nifty if moose text was updated with a little forboding flavor- 'It looks at you with hunger in it's eyes' kind of thing.
#moosefanboy

[Mephansteras]

Ok, well, seems like it might be worth making one and testing it out. There is only one component I don't have a spare of (the tool rig? Can't check right now as I'm at work) so it's probably not a big deal if it turns out to be a bust. And it certainly sounds good.

[scrdest]

I just know something horrible is about to happen. I found a mansion my previous char cleared out (along with his corpse, butchered to retrieve bionics), it's reasonably close to a river (i.e. a short walk) to the south, and to the north begins a forest. I have a good supply of meat and clean water now that I managed to make a pot. I also have a couple of libraries to my disposal.

I predict a migration from a swamp to the east. Or a horde of angry moose. As in, a horde of a single, pissed of moose. One moose is already a horde in this game.

I forgot to mention that just outside my mansion is a helicopter wreckage, so I have a fuckton of scrap metal, too. Tis a fun game when you are more terrified when game does not screw with you than when it does.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Mk, I'm back, but I've gotta go out again- need more rags and a spare raincoat. I also won't be able to reinforce it- remembered I had to leave that second kev vest behind the locked bunker door, so I've only got the one.

On an unrelated note, I just noticed something: on comparing RL mossberg 500 & remington 870, found mention of a part called a 'disconnector' and an ability called 'slamfire'. Figured I'd mention it as a suggetion on here and maybe tweak some stats for it, but then when I inspected the shotguns again I noticed they had a 3-burst mode. Sounds like it's already been heard of!

[Grendus]

Metal arrows not worth it- heavy wooden's where it's at. Must have an 80% survive chance, nearly as good as metal arrows and only about twice the weight of wooden. Oh, and they're accurate as hell. I still keep a stack of wooden for spitters & the like, but yep.

Wait till you see the explosive arrows. Figured I'd keep ~3 on my person & emulate green arrow...but when I made them I found they weigh 9lbs a pop. O_O

I think I'll take a compromise. Metal arrows have great armor penetration and damage, I'd rather have them around for dealing with brutes, hulks, shockers, and mechs. Plastic arrows do only a little less damage than heavy wooden, they mostly sacrifice armor penetration which is unnecessary against small game and basic zombies, but are extremely light and accurate. Plus I can make them in the field with a simple plastic mold and a few shredded raincoats, umbrellas, or glasses.

[Elephant Parade]

Also: it would be nifty if moose text was updated with a little forboding flavor- 'It looks at you with hunger in it's eyes' kind of thing.

That would be neat.

Also, to whoever was talking about dogs, dogs rarely attack you, but they can occasionally and thus trigger Safe Mode. You can tame them with food, I think.

[Mephansteras]

Does seem odd that you have to specifically use dog food, though, when in my experience dogs are pretty happy eating most things. Chunks of meat should work just fine as well.

Granted, they're not THAT helpful to have around right now. They'd be better if they could be trained.

[BigD145]

Granted, they're not THAT helpful to have around right now.

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Emergency food supply reporting for duty.

[Kaitol]

Human Nature: Making the apocalypse more horrifying than Eldritch horrors since 10,000 B.C.!

[GrizzlyAdamz]

I have returned.

Light survivor suit: Can be fitted. Reinforced with a soldering iron/kevlar plates, (hard to do, but means it's likely durable). It is rainproof.

Here's stats for my own kit to compare:
Also, fuck me to tears I tried looking into making it easier to compare, but these stats just aren't graph-friendly, (alternate values depending on chances? yeah..)
Before:

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Torso:
Army jacket
Cov 95
Enc 0
Bash 20
cut 20
Env 0
warmth 40
storage 14

Military rucksack
Cov 50
Enc 2
Bash 24
Cut 24
Env 0
warmth 0
Storage 80

Torso Total:
50%
Bash 44
Cut 44
Env 0
45%
Bash 20
Cut 20
Env 0

Enc 2+0
Warmth 40
Storage 94


Arms:
Army jacket
Cov 95
Enc 0
Bash 20
cut 20
Env 0
warmth 40

Elbow pads
Cov 20
Enc 0
Bash 30
Cut 30
Env 0
Warmth 10

Arms Total:
20%
Bash 50
Cut 50
Env 0
75%
Bash 20
Cut 20
Env 0

Enc 0+1
Warmth 40+10
Storage --


Legs:
Army pants
Cov 95
Enc 0
Bash 20
Cut 20
Env 0
Warmth 40
Storage 14

Knee pads
Cov 20
Enc 0
Bash 30
Cut 30
Env 0
Warmth 10

Legs Total:
20%
Bash 50
Cut 50
Env 0
75%
Bash 20
Cut 20
Env 0

Enc 0+1
Warmth 40+10
Storage 14


Outfit total:
Storage: 108
Weight: 12.9

After:

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Torso:
Survivor suit
Cov 95
Enc 1
Bash 20
Cut 36
Env 4
Warmth 40
Storage 50

Leather backpack
Cov 50
Enc 1
Bash 24
Cut 24
Env 0
Warmth 10
Storage 40

Torso Total:
50%
Bash 44
Cut 60
Env 4
45%
Bash 20
Cut 36
Env 4

Enc 2+0
Warmth 50
Storage 90


Arms Total:
Survivor suit
Cov 95
Enc 1+0
Bash 20
Cut 36
Env 4
Warmth 40


Legs Total:
Survivor suit
Cov 95
Enc 1+0
Bash 20
Cut 36
Env 4
Warmth 40


Suit Total:
Storage 90
Weight 15.7

Alternative:

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Torso:
Survivor suit
Cov 95
Enc 1
Bash 20
Cut 36
Env 4
Warmth 40
Storage 50

Military Rucksack
Cov 50
Enc 2
Bash 24
Cut 24
Env 0
Warmth 0
Storage 80

Torso Total:
50%
Bash 44
Cut 60
Env 4
45%
Bash 20
Cut 36
Env 4

Enc 3+0
Warmth 40
Storage 130


Suit Total:
Storage 130
Weight 19

Overall it looks like it's slightly less avantageous if one's trying to keep encumbrance & weight low. But, for maximizing storage, the alternate's likely the preferred setup.

Also, a key advantage to the survivor suit is being rainproof- if it's raining out, one would be adding 1+1 encumbrance to both the torso & arms, 3 weight, and 9 volume while it's in storage. Though it provides bonus protection & 7 additional storage while it's worn.




Other topics:
Plastic arrows v heavy wood v metal:
Weight .2v1.6v9.7
Dam 8v12v14
Pen 1v5v7
Range 12v8v10
Dispersion/accuracy (higher is worse) 15v4v4

Biggest advantages to plastic are how light they are, range & ease of making them. However, aside from stats, (dam,pen,acc), I maintain the retrieval rate of heavy arrows is phenomenal. Check them out some time & see for yourself. A stack of 20 lasts for a long time, weigh little, and damage/penetration/accuracy are top-tier.
Oh hey, and 8 range isn't something to sneeze at- wood arrows clock in at 7.


Dogs:
I imagine they'd only be useful around a base, or if one scavenges primarily in lightly-populated areas/has a low spawn density. Otherwise the dogs'd just get mobbed after kamikaze-charging.
Also, can they indeed be tamed?