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[Iceblaster]

To Maxva:

I would suggest morning star/mace(forget which one) from a pawn shop oooor if you want a cutting weapon, Katana or Zwaihander

[azmodean]

Bush-vehicle impact violence has been roughly halved.
There's a relatively simple and reasonable fix to make the "shock to entire vehicle" thing more manageable, that should happen within the next day or so.

EDIT: "Magic of sidecars"
It's not a generic sidecar thing, someone just slapped together a predefined vehicle that's a motorcycle with a sidecar that spawn occasionally in the usual places.  You can easily make one yourself with a motorcycle, an extra frame or two, an extra wheel, and a seat.

It looks like:
o#>o
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[CognitiveDissonance]

To Maxva:

I would suggest morning star/mace(forget which one) from a pawn shop oooor if you want a cutting weapon, Katana or Zwaihander

I rarely ever see those; I instead opt for Nail Bat (Sporting Goods) or Combat Knife (Military Surplus)

Other great options are Knife Spear and Hammer. If you're feeling fancy and have nice dexterity you can go with an Exacto Knife.

And, my personal favorite, Steel Chain. It deals decent damage, but I love it for the bonus unarmed attack. It triggers a lot.

[Danv]

i wish there was "damage resistance" parameter or something like this for every vehicle part in json, which would negate % or exact amount of damage for such part, i.e. easily moddable
"realistic" damage is good for a normal vehicle, sure, but i fucking want to build unstoppable plasma tank on 24 underbody wide wheels, armored to the last goddamned screw, and i want to ride on such monster through towns and forests like a freshly built road

[Vorbicon]

Question, how do I use the Hoder Tileset instead of the Deon tileset? I downloaded the updated version from the Cataclysm DDA forum, but the only option I see in the game is to turn tiles on and off.

[azmodean]

We're going to pay for not making that obvious...

The tileset used is configured in the data/gfx.txt file
Add a '#' in front of the lines that mention Deon's and remove the '#' from the lines that mention Hodor's tiles.  If you comment both sets out it'll fall back to GalenTiles.

[CognitiveDissonance]

We're going to pay for not making that obvious...

The tileset used is configured in the data/gfx.txt file
Add a '#' in front of the lines that mention Deon's and remove the '#' from the lines that mention Hodor's tiles.  If you comment both sets out it'll fall back to GalenTiles.

May I suggest a simplification? Add the "baked-in" tilesets as a switch in Options. One of the options will be Custom (See gfx.txt) and will use whatever is defined there. With the useful and improving Options menu, I think people look there instead of .ini files like in Dwarf Fortress.

[Girlinhat]

i wish there was "damage resistance" parameter or something like this for every vehicle part in json, which would negate % or exact amount of damage for such part, i.e. easily moddable
"realistic" damage is good for a normal vehicle, sure, but i fucking want to build unstoppable plasma tank on 24 underbody wide wheels, armored to the last goddamned screw, and i want to ride on such monster through towns and forests like a freshly built road

I've been asking for this for a while, preferably reducing a fixed amount so that vehicles become immune to low-damage attacks (the same way an Abrams would be immune to pistols) and letting vehicles handle many situations a lot easier...

[Tiruin]

That was implemented quite a while back...*code archaeology*... In January.
Hence the new motorcycle with sidecar you might run across now
(aviator goggles and leather cap sold seperately)

O_O

Ok what is this magic and can you expound on that matter more thanks.

So..anyone have any idea on how the vehicle-NPC thing works? I guess me not putting a '?' got it missed, huh.

[azmodean]

May I suggest a simplification? Add the "baked-in" tilesets as a switch in Options. One of the options will be Custom (See gfx.txt) and will use whatever is defined there. With the useful and improving Options menu, I think people look there instead of .ini files like in Dwarf Fortress.

It should be fairly trivial to just let you drop in a .png and a config file in a directory and present that as an option, just a matter of you know, doing it.

And yes, we will put damage reduction on vehicle parts, that is a totally reasonable thing to do.

So..anyone have any idea on how the vehicle-NPC thing works? I guess me not putting a '?' got it missed, huh.

Oh THAT, I wasn't sure if you were asking about the NPC boarding thing or the sidecar.
Simple enough:

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case npc_follow_embarked:
  if (in_vehicle)
   move_pause();
  else {
   int p1;
   vehicle *veh = g->m.veh_at(g->u.posx, g->u.posy, p1);

   if (!veh) {
    debugmsg("Following an embarked player with no vehicle at their location?");
    move_pause();
   } else {
    int p2 = veh->free_seat();
    if (p2 < 0) {
     move_pause();
    } else {
     int px = veh->global_x() + veh->parts[p2].precalc_dx[0];
     int py = veh->global_y() + veh->parts[p2].precalc_dy[0];
     update_path(g, px, py);

     // TODO: replace extra hop distance with finding the correct door
     //       Hop in the last few squares is mostly to avoid player clash
     if (path.size() <= 2) {
      g->m.board_vehicle(g, px, py, this);
      move_pause();
     } else
      move_to_next(g);
    }
   }
  }
  break;
If the NPC is in "follow" mode and you board a vehicle, it switches their mode to "follow_embarked", in which case they head for the vehicle, and once they get in range they hop in.

[GlyphGryph]

You know, I've been thinking - the whole force carries through thing actually makes sense. to a certain extent. Imagine a car, but the part in the middle is made out of cardboard (say from the front of the front door to the back of the back). That part is going to crumple in a head on accident even if the front is sturdy enough to survive unscathed!  SO if we want something pseudorealistic we need to keep in mind that the weak point in the chain IS the most likely to break.
 
Theres still plenty of ways to make it better but its worth keeping in mind. If you really want something to stay safe for fragile bits you want some sort of shock absorbers like car crumple zones inside a rigid frame making sure the fragile elements only have to have their own weight absorbed

[DoomOnion]

Sadly the weakpoint in the chain always happen to be your precious generators and fuel tanks.
At least set up a system that the armor built in the vehicle absorb damage first and then transfer the remainder to the rest of the systems.

[azmodean]

The "good enough and can do it tonight" solution is to just attenuate the force based on distance from impact.  The simulationist-y part of my bran wants to render the vehicle as a connected graph of components and traverse the graph on impact, but that could take a while, and meanwhile the simple solution wouldn't interfere with that.

[Aseaheru]

Here is an idea, a "shock absorber" part that stops the damage from going back past it, as long as it in below a certain level. If that level is exceeded than it breaks and transfers the damage anyways.

[Girlinhat]

At the VERY least, we should get the ability to 'reinforce part' either when you armor a tile every component in that tile is reinforced, or spend metal/time to make a single component resistant/immune to shock-through damage.  As it stands, even with the best armor and structure, solar panels are destroyed nearly instantly at every impact anywhere.

I've had situations where a parked vehicle can be smashed at by a zombie and destroy the headlights 2 tiles back.