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[Mictlantecuhtli]

Well in that regard the tone is that it is a game and not a survival simulator (like Unreal World), and guns are less complex then vehicles.

I'd only like it if you have a very high change of making a gun that will defect and explode in your hands.

[Girlinhat]

Problem is, most manufactured guns are designed to fit themselves perfectly.  You can't take the barrel off one pistol and slap it onto another, even of the same caliber, because they're just made to fit differently.  Like car tires.  You -could- make a tire from a different car fit, but the bolts and nuts likely don't match and any piecing-together would have to be welding and weirdness.  Guns would be even weirder to try and force together...

What we really need, I think, is handmade firearms that are more productive.  Instead of having single-shot pipe guns, high fabrication should enable you to make at least bolt-action guns, preferably of various caliber.  I'd really like a 9mm rifle that I could build and train skill on!

[Sharp]

Problem is, most manufactured guns are designed to fit themselves perfectly.  You can't take the barrel off one pistol and slap it onto another, even of the same caliber, because they're just made to fit differently.  Like car tires.  You -could- make a tire from a different car fit, but the bolts and nuts likely don't match and any piecing-together would have to be welding and weirdness.  Guns would be even weirder to try and force together...

I'm not saying it's realistic (although I don't see why you couldn't weld a new barrel on a gun, sure it might be smoothbore and might not even leave the barrel if barrel is rifled incorrectly but heck the basis of a gun works isn't rocket science), but the question should be is it fun. The way vehicles can be created and altered isn't realistic either but it's fun.

Cataclysm isn't a simulator it's a game.
 

[Girlinhat]

Reminds me of the argument involving rope, it quickly got into the materials, thicknesses, uses, wear and tear, knot types, the amount of length loss due to different knots...  The argument essentially ended when someone said "Cataclysm: Post-Apocalyptic Rope Simulator"

[Urist_McGamer]

Reminds me of the argument involving rope, it quickly got into the materials, thicknesses, uses, wear and tear, knot types, the amount of length loss due to different knots...  The argument essentially ended when someone said "Cataclysm: Post-Apocalyptic Rope Simulator"

At least they didn't get into the vast variety of nails in real life or why there aren't screws or bolts in the game...

[Flying Dice]

Reminds me of the argument involving rope, it quickly got into the materials, thicknesses, uses, wear and tear, knot types, the amount of length loss due to different knots...  The argument essentially ended when someone said "Cataclysm: Post-Apocalyptic Rope Simulator"

Hey, to be fair, different types of line have very different properties. While we're at it, there should be a braiding skill that allows you to both braid your own hair and splice lines together, instead of relying on "Survival" for making larger lines.

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[IronTomato]

I'm here for teh troll.

I saw a Metal Gear mod for Cataclysm, but I didn't download it because the thread had been locked with no posts.

Just to make sure I know what happened to it, he's somehow been banned forty times, he claimed to have made a virus,  Inside a Cataclysm DDA mod called Metal Gear Zombies, he's trolled this thread and insulted The Great, He did a mass troll against Microsoft, and he may or may not still be lurking about.

(Sorry for the question, I'm confused, because my head has trouble processing strangeness in such large quantities.)

[NobodyPro]

We have been having a persistent troll problem in this thread - if you have been directed to this post, it is probably because he is posting, probably about Metal Gear Solid mod. DO NOT RESPOND, it is a trap. Instead, read the following to understand the situation.

Spoiler: Spamming Bandodge Troll details (click to show/hide)

The person posting the mod is a long-time anti-C:DDA troll. He was active on the Cataforums for a while, and used that time to constantly insult everyone and demand we include his code in mainline but he refused to actually work with anyone and his code was terrible. We finally included a line of it, as he insisted... and he responded by calling us thieves and insisting we remove it and basically flipped his shit, saying he owned all the code and we were all retards and we weren't allowed to use his stuff. He's been banned from bay12 going on 30 or 40 times now or so, and has basically hurled abuse at everybody including Toady. He's also been banned from Kickstarter (where he promptly created a second account) and the Cataclysm forums (about 20 times). His general approach to convincing people (though he varies, he's adopting one of his "nicer" approaches today) is to call everyone retards for playing CDDA and not playing his mod instead, and then writing poems about how awesome he is.

His mod is buggy as hell and he often claims it has a virus in it (but I don't think it does).

He hounded the MAME project for like 5 years, eventually stealing a bunch of their stuff and selling it under his own name, until they took legal action to get it taken down. He still makes money off his "mame tool" although not much, and basically everyone hates him there. He previously enacted a trolling campaign against a Microsoft working group and some other company I forget as well.

People have tried reasoning with him, arguing with him, accepting him, listening to him, and ignoring him. None of this will make him go away or stop causing trouble, but the last one is the one that allows the thread to continue with the least impact, so please do that one.

[Farce]

Ooh, ooh.  I would propose a third variety to the earlier pair of examples of custom-crafted weapons I presented earlier ('five guns welded together, with simultaneous triggers' and 'The like five different guns taped together by Ripley at the end of Aliens').

Perhaps have a universal sort of 'debuff' applied to all weapons made without, say, the big, powered machinery of a workshop or something?  Like say, if you disassemble a gun, and try to reassemble it, it ends up not fitting as tightly and neatly together, so you have a 'rebuilt' M16 or whatever, which would have an increased jam chance (does Cataclysm even DO jamming and failures like that?  It's been awhile :x), decreased accuracy, etc.  You could process a custom gun at one such work places - steps either abstracted away or tied to what parts make up your gun - to (possibly gradually) remove the debuff, as you tighten the fit and whatnot.

Then, you could add workshops around as a new building type, filled with big machinery - lathes, table saws, and all that stuff.  Have it be like that Red Jacket place on Sons of Guns.  Except, you know - less gun-centric.  Maybe have the same equipment show up in garages and factories - which don't exist presently, but, yeah.


I'm sorta envisioning Metro 2033 and 2034 sorta stuff - it would be crude and less efficient and whatnot, and simply in as an alternative when you can't get a proper weapon, like how the pipe rifle is - or just for stylepoints.

Could be useful for future things, maybe - have Bandit factions toting intimidating-but-stupid things like hexashotguns, or a sorta Metro/Stalker mode like Classic Zombies mode - make proper weapons rarer, arm survivors with cobbled-together weaponry, or something.

[alway]

Alternatively, this is a world where there is basically everything crazy happening at once, including living plants... How about partially organic mods? It could certainly make things more interesting if your weapons could gain mutation-like traits, with a similar idea of tradeoffs. "Your gun now shoots teeth it grows within itself; you no longer need ammo, but it does slightly less damage, makes less noise, and is radioactive."
Sort of a midpoint between uber-magic/alien artifacts and normal weapons/weapon mods.

[Gamerlord]

Alternatively, this is a world where there is basically everything crazy happening at once, including living plants... How about partially organic mods? It could certainly make things more interesting if your weapons could gain mutation-like traits, with a similar idea of tradeoffs. "Your gun now shoots teeth it grows within itself; you no longer need ammo, but it does slightly less damage, makes less noise, and is radioactive."

FUCK YES.

[alway]

That of course is a simple system; basically just the same gun mods everyone else was talking about, but with a more theme-appropriate title/description.

A better system which would require more code than a simple item mod would involve changes to allow things akin to Elona's 'living weapon' artifacts. Have them grow/change over time, getting increasingly powerful and dangerous over time; which would basically be a system more in line with the mutation system. Best option would also be to have some process (probably applying some form of purifier to it) to attempt to revert the changes, since otherwise it would eventually render the weapon too dangerous to do anything but leave it in a pit 10 miles from home.

Or if you're particularly bored and want to code something, as part of some new creature's lifecycle, as a sort of unintentionally symbiotic larval stage. After absorbing enough kinetic energy from the weapon, it will burst forth into its adult form [leaving the weapon intact]. Being an asexual sort of fellow, you simply have to defeat your newly spawned living lovecraftian uber-weapon, then cut it up into bits of larval stuff. Ah, the cycle of life. The transition of which, by the way, may or may not happen when you are sleeping.

Anywho; that's a couple ideas to throw out there, which IMO are a bit more theme-appropriate than large numbers of mechanical gun mods just laying all over. And which could even be applied to weapons other than guns if thought out properly.

[Krevsin]

Reminds me of the argument involving rope, it quickly got into the materials, thicknesses, uses, wear and tear, knot types, the amount of length loss due to different knots...  The argument essentially ended when someone said "Cataclysm: Post-Apocalyptic Rope Simulator"

I would actually love to play a Post-Apocalyptic Rope Simulator.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   Actually a rope simulator would be interesting but I think it would be better in a game style like the surgeon simulator. A small area where there is a natural setting type of thing with walls blocking you in. You have to work on making rope with the natural things around you. The secret ending is making a really strong rope then escaping the room and killing the alien that was keeping you in that room as a part of his zoo.

[Iceblaster]

Why is it anytime I pop in and say something, it sparks this huge 2-3 page discussion on the topic?

Am I really that interesting, or is it it's just a coincidence when that happens

Probably a coincedence