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[Origami_Psycho]

I have an idea: If we can, send the riders back to the towns with black flags and see if we can communicate without entering the towns. I had in mind something along the lines of shouting until they attract someone's attention, yell out they bring news of treatments that appear effective, and throw a note with the details(wrapped around a rock of course) over the walls.

Also, definitely get started on recruiting more miners to repopulate Silverhills. We need more gold and silver minted in order to pay for our sewers

We could use semaphore flags.
And in addition to repopulating it we need to get ourselves a new mining consultant dude to be Silverhills mayor.
Also, call up our reserves to clear the town first, and then post the reinforcements at all entrances of both Feroshire and Silverhills.

Semaphore only works if both parties understand semaphore before hand. Terms need to be agreed upon, or else we are just an idiot waving flags.

Ask the steward if there is a system in place for communication via flags, esp. between navies.

[Gervassen]

Those towns are a lost cause now. We don't have any special wisdom to impart to them, even if we did risk this communication. A prescription to "eat a simple diet, rest, and drink cool water" is not a profound eureka that must be zealously passed to all corners of the county as a life-saving moral imperative. We simply shut down the spread in ways that other towns were not serious about. Now we're starting to get a little unserious again.

My suggestion? Start flying a black flag on our borders, and tell our people that it represents the plague still ravaging all the lands beyond our borders, but tell any outside refugees a far different tale that we are plague-hit in a most grievous way and that bodies bloat and fester everywhere within our territory. Then send them back.

Also, keep up the organization of the city into the four wards. The plague is all about us. There is no room for slack yet. People can go about their daily lives in order to transact business, not to engage in merriment or social gatherings.

Forget the mines. Worthless yellow shit anyway. Take these workmen that want gold and give them gold from our own purse. Then ask them if they expect to eat today. Tell them that we provide that food at our largesse, and it currently happens to cost exactly whatever the gold we just gave them. We hear food is going for much cheaper in Curbiston, hear that there's a hell of lot of meat just lying around in the streets, by all accounts, if that's where they'd rather be right now.  Then tell them that we aren't feeding people who skive off all the fucking day and complain about worthless inedible gold. Then tell them to start laying that clay pipe to drain our wastes downstream.

Also, have a talk with the people in each ward. Lay out what has happened beyond our lands, address the issue in Silverhills head-on with blunt frankness, and remind them that we will kill any person who endangers all of us by breaking curfew or quarantine rules. Right now, through our firm leadership and their calm trust and obedience, we Feroshireans alone have gained respite in a county otherwise filled with death. If any in the assembly think that killing one curfew-breaker is a worse act than suffering all to catch the plague, then those of that mind will not be prevented from leaving our territory right now.

[Gamerlord]

Oh HELL no. Seriously what the hell? We'll have a bloody rebellion on our hands, anyway, we've been RPing as BENEVOLENT if you hadn't noticed! If the other lords find out we screwed them over in that way, they'll fuck us over!

[Maldevious]

Nipping this in the bud now. Settle down. If you disagree, you can disagree, but watch the tone.

[Origami_Psycho]

I approve of the false black flag and telling the people of the current situation ideas, but we should keep Silverhills going, if only for the fact that we get more than gold and silver out of it.  Iron will be necessary for arming the reserves, who may not all have armour, and we also will need to arm them with appropriate weapons to deal with unarmoured civilians and refugees instead of military forces, such as swords, spears, or axes.  We may also get to the point where we need to act in a self sustaining manner, which means nails, tools, and everything else we may need, in addition to just the proper equipping of our reserves.  Also, provide incentives for the people to... repopulate.

[Gamerlord]

Nipping this in the bud now. Settle down. If you disagree, you can disagree, but watch the tone.

I know, but he just suggested lieing to everyone and damning them all to the plague! Also turning us into a freaking horse's arse.

Also, provide incentives for the people to... repopulate.

Be careful there man. Lots of ways for that to go wrong.

[Maldevious]

Again, disagree with him. That's fine. I don't care about that. Just be civil about it. All I ask.

[Origami_Psycho]

Nipping this in the bud now. Settle down. If you disagree, you can disagree, but watch the tone.

I know, but he just suggested lieing to everyone and damning them all to the plague! Also turning us into a freaking horse's arse.

Also, provide incentives for the people to... repopulate.

Be careful there man. Lots of ways for that to go wrong.

I mean child support.
EDIT: Probably not what you were thinking.

[Gervassen]

Silverhills had an outbreak. Some of the dead were killed violently in the uprising, some died sick, some are probably half-and-half cases that we can't sort out. We clear that place at our peril. By all rights, it should be burned to the ground. This is the analogue to  the Black Death, not a case of the sniffles.

Fact of the matter is that gold and silver are not worth much in a crisis. We give those workmen shelter in a world gone mad with sickness. It's time for us to stand firm like a rock in the tempest, not be pushed over by opportunists looking for shiny metals.

This "benevolence" stuff needs to be nipped in the bud, too. We sent a young woman to death on trumped up charges because she endangered our political situation. Plague is even worse endangerment of far more than our politics.

Sometimes, you have to be cruel to be kind. We're saving lives here, and people are babbling about benevolence. If we need to impose any more curfews in the future, everyone must very well understand why and to what extent it will be enforced. This is called leadership, and it involves making decisions that don't feel warm and fuzzy. Or feel like that hollow rubbish called "benevolence" that makes you feel good about how your soft decisions killed hundreds of people.

[Gervassen]

I know, but he just suggested lieing to everyone and damning them all to the plague! Also turning us into a freaking horse's arse.

I guarantee that you're the only one who wants to take in more refugees. No one else is saying that's a good idea, because that brings the plague back, and it's more mouths than we have food. We can either be honest that the plague is not here, and have to kill more refugees that seek us out. Or we can lie. And we do lie. We lie whenever it suits us, in fact. That's clear from the character history.

[Gamerlord]

O_O

What. The. Fuck. That is all I have to say on the matter and from here on out I'm not reading any of Gervassen's posts. Only way to remain civil and not piss of Mally.

[Origami_Psycho]

I know, but he just suggested lieing to everyone and damning them all to the plague! Also turning us into a freaking horse's arse.

I guarantee that you're the only one who wants to take in more refugees. No one else is saying that's a good idea, because that brings the plague back, and it's more mouths than we have food. We can either be honest that the plague is not here, and have to kill more refugees that seek us out. Or we can lie. And we do lie. We lie whenever it suits us, in fact. That's clear from the character history.

I agree with this.

Silverhills had an outbreak. Some of the dead were killed violently in the uprising, some died sick, some are probably half-and-half cases that we can't sort out. We clear that place at our peril. By all rights, it should be burned to the ground. This is the analogue to  the Black Death, not a case of the sniffles.

Fact of the matter is that gold and silver are not worth much in a crisis. We give those workmen shelter in a world gone mad with sickness. It's time for us to stand firm like a rock in the tempest, not be pushed over by opportunists looking for shiny metals.

This "benevolence" stuff needs to be nipped in the bud, too. We sent a young woman to death on trumped up charges because she endangered our political situation. Plague is even worse endangerment of far more than our politics.

Sometimes, you have to be cruel to be kind. We're saving lives here, and people are babbling about benevolence. If we need to impose any more curfews in the future, everyone must very well understand why and to what extent it will be enforced. This is called leadership, and it involves making decisions that don't feel warm and fuzzy. Or feel like that hollow rubbish called "benevolence" that makes you feel good about how your soft decisions killed hundreds of people.

While I agree with most of this, I think it's worthwhile to re-occupy Silverhills because A)Squatters will likely take up residence and start the spreading of the plague again, B)We also get Iron out of there, C)The gold and silver can be used to jump-start our economy once the plague has gone from the lands of the other lords, D)If we leave the dead to rot we get even more diseases from the decaying flesh, so it's best to clear out the dead now, all we have to do is have the men wear leather covers, a face mask, and then we can stop the disease from spreading, and we regain a valuable asset, and then we can continue public works projects.  This will keep the civies occupied and happy, reducing likelyhood of revolt, we are also improving our town during a time of crisis, making the civies look favourably upon us, and reducing the likelyhood of revolt, and this allows us to continue to exert our increased degree of control for longer without revolt, not to mention proving to every single one of our neighbours that we're an effective lord, and gives those who still think we can't do the job even less ground upon which to stand.
Oh, did I mention that paid workers will work better?  We can pay them out of our pocket for now but that can't last forever, and we need the gold to continue the works projects.  Not to mention compensating the reserves that we should draw up.  The better we are looked upon by the civilians the easier go of it we'll have in the long run, esp. if this plague continues for much longer.

EDIT: I would also like to suggest a method of communication with the other cities/towns that will allow us to not come into direct contact with them.  We should also send a boat to the Dukes lands, and initiate a patrol of the river for quarantine buster vessels.

[Gervassen]

I agree now. Let's carefully reclaim Silverhills.

-rant-

I'm afraid that you are acting far beyond what is decent. To me and to the others who wish to continue this story.

[Gervassen]

Here's a thought. Just throwing it out there to change the conversation.

We could leave Finn in charge of Feroshire and go to Curbiston alone, reunite with Gunther there, and attempt to save it in person. If Arthur is truly dead as the reports say, then the entire city is in danger of descending into bedlam. We could try to save it, and I think we just might succeed, too, if benevolence doesn't get in our way first!

[Talvara]

About benevolence, We disposed a lord and his wife who were actively planning to attack us. also we didn't put them to the sword. our young claimant did that. we we're lucky that the 'pretender' was acting without backing from other counties, but the fact that he has been killed probably made a few enemies for Arthur and us anyway.

while these events are clearly in the darker grayzone it doesn't mean we should go 180 into selfish scheming bastard mode. (exaggeration) its stewarding our people, helping our friends and honouring our duty towards the realm that has brought us from simple beginnings to be a Barron. We shouldn't turn our back on that just because the county has fallen on bad times.



I think we should try and share our 'techniques' to combat the plague with our neighbours. We can even use messages tied to arrows to do that.
I'm in agreements with Origami that we can't leave Silverhills to well... rot and fester, Its a damned shame that we couldn't prevent things from escalating there.

about the Refugees... If we ignore their problems and simply look out for only ourselves, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an uprising or at the very least a very sharp increase in banditry... I mean that's where bandits come from right? people forsaken and hopeless.
I think we should prepare to take refugees in, but do it in a controlled manner. set them up in separate camps, not in the town. tighten the belt buckle a bit more. and use the same techniques we used to get the plague out of Feroshire.

Besides... We're going to need the manpower to get Silverhills up and running again.

Here's a thought. Just throwing it out there to change the conversation.

We could leave Finn in charge of Feroshire and go to Curbiston alone, reunite with Gunther there, and attempt to save it in person. If Arthur is truly dead as the reports say, then the entire city is in danger of descending into bedlam. We could try to save it, and I think we just might succeed, too, if benevolence doesn't get in our way first!

Going to Curbiston, Yeah I think that may be a good idea... if we can stabilise the situation there it could mean less refugees to deal with. and if Arthur is still alive we can get a feel for what kind of ruler he is turning into.

I don't believe you can be a good leader without being benevolent. Power either comes from the people through admiration or it comes through suppression. Benevolence really isn't some kind of dirty word is it?