Topic: Lordship: A Suggestion Game (Read 329379 times)

Elfeater · « **Reply #2580 on:** March 22, 2013, 06:51:13 pm »

Also, we may want to get some more halberdiers.

Origami_Psycho · « **Reply #2581 on:** March 22, 2013, 07:03:07 pm »

Quote from: Elfeater on March 22, 2013, 06:51:13 pm

Also, we may want to get some more halberdiers.

Do this, and, while we're at it, let's start recruiting alchemists. I want to move this into the age of gunpowder. Just cause the change would cause untold amounts of hilarity.

GreatWyrmGold · « **Reply #2582 on:** March 22, 2013, 07:11:37 pm »

Quote from: Talvara on March 22, 2013, 04:51:16 am

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on March 21, 2013, 09:56:26 pm
I did not remember the width, but I still don't think we can justify a full-fledged navy. Especially if we look at it from the king's or probably duke's perspective, which is that those ships would do much more good downstream.
if for whatever reason there is advance warning, we could bring our ships to the side of the duke. We don't necessarily need to use our own navy. it could serve as reinforcement if it ever comes to it.

Which would make everyone ask, "Why does this minor, inland noble have a full-fledged navy?" The only answers I can think they would think of aren't good for us...paranoia is about the best.

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Seeing as I'm not sure it will ever come to it I wouldn't want a large strictly war-fleet, instead a fleet of trading vessels which can be militarised would have my preference.

Trading ships are perfectly fine with me.

Quote from: Theodolus on March 22, 2013, 10:49:11 am

I have nothing to offer at this point other than the coincidence that my little sister just had her first boy a few days ago. His name is Isaac. So yeah, great choice on the name!

Congratulations on becoming a new aunt/uncle!

Quote from: Gervassen on March 22, 2013, 02:22:38 pm

No to mingling with the people,

While I agree with your general point, I have to nix this. Being an involved, caring lord is a lot of what got us where we are.

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no to spending undue amounts of time with the baby like a "perfect modern husband" and we be about our business as a medieval man. Soon Marna will have a wet nurse and be about her business, too.

The most important word being "undue." We need to bond with the baby some. Besides, what day isn't lightened by spending a little time with a baby? Assuming you don't have to change diapers or anything.

Quote from: Origami_Psycho on March 22, 2013, 07:03:07 pm

Quote from: Elfeater on March 22, 2013, 06:51:13 pm
Also, we may want to get some more halberdiers.
Do this, and, while we're at it, let's start recruiting alchemists. I want to move this into the age of gunpowder. Just cause the change would cause untold amounts of hilarity.

While this could be neat...don't hold your breath.

LordSlowpoke · « **Reply #2583 on:** March 22, 2013, 07:12:00 pm »

Quote from: Origami_Psycho on March 22, 2013, 07:03:07 pm

Quote from: Elfeater on March 22, 2013, 06:51:13 pm
Also, we may want to get some more halberdiers.
Do this, and, while we're at it, let's start recruiting alchemists. I want to move this into the age of gunpowder. Just cause the change would cause untold amounts of hilarity.

+1!

Hilarity, ho!

Gotdamnmiracle · « **Reply #2584 on:** March 22, 2013, 08:34:52 pm »

Quote from: LordSlowpoke on March 22, 2013, 07:12:00 pm

Quote from: Origami_Psycho on March 22, 2013, 07:03:07 pm
Quote from: Elfeater on March 22, 2013, 06:51:13 pm
Also, we may want to get some more halberdiers.
Do this, and, while we're at it, let's start recruiting alchemists. I want to move this into the age of gunpowder. Just cause the change would cause untold amounts of hilarity.

+1!

Hilarity, ho!

No. That is bad. I want to keep this medieval.

Gervassen · « **Reply #2585 on:** March 22, 2013, 08:42:36 pm »

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on March 22, 2013, 07:11:37 pm

Which would make everyone ask, "Why does this minor, inland noble have a full-fledged navy?" The only answers I can think they would think of aren't good for us...paranoia is about the best.

They probably don't care. The King of France didn't ask the Duke of Normandy why he raised a navy, then the Duke conquered England without asking the King for permission. Nobles generally did what they thought best, with little actual written law except "give me some taxes" and "give me some troops" and a vow not to rebel. Feudalism is decentralised, by definition--otherwise you've got a modern nation-state instead.

At any rate, let's return to the navy stuff in half a year or so, when our river is dredged and our shipwright is knocking out cogs. Then we can decide how many of those will get forecastles and aftcastles, which is the only real difference between a profitable merchant ship and a warship. And those structures can even be added on later in an emergency.

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on March 22, 2013, 07:11:37 pm

Quote from: Gervassen on March 22, 2013, 02:22:38 pm
No to mingling with the people,
While I agree with your general point, I have to nix this. Being an involved, caring lord is a lot of what got us where we are.

I was probably a little too forceful in making that point, but we didn't train last month, and we won't be training next month either during the fair, so now's the time, if we don't want to go three solid months without training at all. One month breaks are healthy occasionally, but three month breaks?

Interestingly enough, however, I don't see our rule as particularly involved, even when looking as objectively as possible. Not really. We have an easy relaxed manner with the peasants, true, but we aren't constantly wringing our hands about their welfare. Most of our success was won by leading them in back-breaking (and apparently very low-paid) building projects and in war, not following their desires and making them feel comfortable. We're a hard taskmaster when you look back at the volume of work done the past six years, often with no obvious recompense other than "these are your feudal duties!"

Our best claim to their undying affections is how we stopped the raiders cold. They'd all be raped and murdered without us, like the other thowns.

Quote from: Origami_Psycho on March 22, 2013, 07:03:07 pm

Quote from: Elfeater on March 22, 2013, 06:51:13 pm
Also, we may want to get some more halberdiers.
Do this, and, while we're at it, let's start recruiting alchemists. I want to move this into the age of gunpowder. Just cause the change would cause untold amounts of hilarity.

While this could be neat...don't hold your breath.
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+1 to halberdiers, but if you look at the building rate for our town walls... Mal generally makes us earn what we achieve.

I added some scholarly debates to the festival plans specifically as a way to tap into the "higher education" area that certain other plans like kahn's armor factory and ballista-building appear to require. I don't anticipate rapid success there, however. Maybe we get a very late game breakthough in saltpeter? Perhaps.

GreatWyrmGold · « **Reply #2586 on:** March 22, 2013, 09:18:38 pm »

Quote from: Gervassen on March 22, 2013, 08:42:36 pm

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on March 22, 2013, 07:11:37 pm
Which would make everyone ask, "Why does this minor, inland noble have a full-fledged navy?" The only answers I can think they would think of aren't good for us...paranoia is about the best.
They probably don't care. The King of France didn't ask the Duke of Normandy why he raised a navy, then the Duke conquered England without asking the King for permission. Nobles generally did what they thought best, with little actual written law except "give me some taxes" and "give me some troops" and a vow not to rebel. Feudalism is decentralised, by definition--otherwise you've got a modern nation-state instead.

Normandy...isn't that the one place that has places it can reach by ship which aren't in the kingdom?
Feudalistic systems of government might have given nobles a very long leash, but they'd likely draw the line at vessels whose only apparent purpose is to either fend off an unlikely river invasion (and it would make more sense to give them to someone closer to the sea for that--more efficient, less suspicious, less management, and makes the coast guy owe us) or (more likely in their eyes) to invade elsewhere in the kingdom.
And don't forget--just downstream is a paranoid noble who already hates us. We shouldn't be giving him more excuses for paranoia.

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Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on March 22, 2013, 07:11:37 pm
Quote from: Gervassen on March 22, 2013, 02:22:38 pm
No to mingling with the people,
While I agree with your general point, I have to nix this. Being an involved, caring lord is a lot of what got us where we are.
I was probably a little too forceful in making that point, but we didn't train last month, and we won't be training next month either during the fair, so now's the time, if we don't want to go three solid months without training at all. One month breaks are healthy occasionally, but three month breaks?

Well, yeah, we shouldn't just stop training, but didn't the one recent update mention we were in fact still training?

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Interestingly enough, however, I don't see our rule as particularly involved, even when looking as objectively as possible. Not really. We have an easy relaxed manner with the peasants, true, but we aren't constantly wringing our hands about their welfare. Most of our success was won by leading them in back-breaking (and apparently very low-paid) building projects and in war, not following their desires and making them feel comfortable. We're a hard taskmaster when you look back at the volume of work done the past six years, often with no obvious recompense other than "these are your feudal duties!"

We also personally mediated a number of disputes and spend time amongst the commoners. And, remember, being better than average isn't a high bar...

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Quote from: Origami_Psycho on March 22, 2013, 07:03:07 pm
Quote from: Elfeater on March 22, 2013, 06:51:13 pm
Also, we may want to get some more halberdiers.
Do this, and, while we're at it, let's start recruiting alchemists. I want to move this into the age of gunpowder. Just cause the change would cause untold amounts of hilarity.
While this could be neat...don't hold your breath.

+1 to halberdiers, but if you look at the building rate for our town walls... Mal generally makes us earn what we achieve.
I added some scholarly debates to the festival plans specifically as a way to tap into the "higher education" area that certain other plans like kahn's armor factory and ballista-building appear to require. I don't anticipate rapid success there, however. Maybe we get a very late game breakthough in saltpeter? Perhaps.
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Maybe.

But don't rule out major developments if we work at it. We've got decades ahead of us--one Da Vinci or Tesla under a supportive lord could do wonders.

Origami_Psycho · « **Reply #2587 on:** March 22, 2013, 09:32:08 pm »

Especially the Tesla. Free power for all!

GreatWyrmGold · « **Reply #2588 on:** March 22, 2013, 09:34:19 pm »

Which would have been horribly inefficient and probably have negative side effects on the health of everything...

Origami_Psycho · « **Reply #2589 on:** March 22, 2013, 10:00:54 pm »

Pfff. Fine. We'll stick to only the radio death ray. And the earthquake generator. And maybe some tesla coils for terror. And public executions.

GreatWyrmGold · « **Reply #2590 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:33:59 am »

Bear in mind that, while a medieval Tesla would make things wondrous to the medieval world, his starting line is a bit behind the real-world Tesla. Also bear in mind that I was being metaphorical.

Maldevious · « **Reply #2591 on:** March 23, 2013, 11:04:28 am »

Year 5, April

April is an unremarkable month. You put out word that you are accepting new Halberdiers into your standing forces, and receive a fair amount of interest, enough to bring your total number back up to the twenty you supported before the raids of last winter.

You speak with Irlof, and he tells you that he is receiving requests for stalls at the fair at a... fair clip. You get the feeling that people are looking for some distraction after recent events, and you don't blame them. You receive word that the Duke will be in attendance, to pay you a visit and see his new great-nephew. Word arrives that Count Foles has heard tell of your festival, and plans on attending. You are ambivalent about this, but you can't exactly stop him from showing up. Several knights have also replied that they will be in attendance, as well, including Sir Percival and the young Sir Denton.

Work continues apace on the walls and tower. Progress is a bit slow this month, as many of the laborers are distracted by all the preparations for the fair. Still, no major setbacks. This project is a major undertaking, and you imagine that it may be done sometime next year, given the current rate of completion.

You cast about for laborers to expand your docks, but at the moment, the majority of your workforce is employed on the tower and walls, and you don't want to distract from that priority. Nevertheless, you have Mr. Wood draw up some plans, for future use. You are pleased to find that the Duke's orders have allowed the shipyard to expand, and the dredging will allow them to build ships that are ocean-worthy by next spring.

You work heavily on your swordsmanship this month, focusing on fighting against the odds. You enlist Fin and Oswald, and take on groups of six opponents at once. You fight on hills. You fight in your manor, kicking chairs in the way of opponents and generally annoying your lady wife. Nevertheless, you feel as if you are a bit more comfortable fighting wildly unfair fights.

One day late in April, you find yourself deep in the woods on the north bank, practicing your swordsmanship against Fin and Oswald while ducking between trunks and whipping branches, when you hear a guttural growl. Startled, you turn to the side, to find a massive brown bear, standing on its hind legs. Your unorthodox training seems to have brought you right on top of its den: you glance behind it to see three small cubs scurrying into the brush.

Fin and Oswald throw themselves in front of you. "Run, M'Lord!" implores Fin. You are armed with nothing but a blunted sword and a small dagger, and are only clad in thick furs for training. You have but a moment to decide: what will you do?

Bad roll there... roleplaying, go!

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