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[kaian-a-coel]

I agree with that. The aggressive stance might go horribly wrong at any time, but staying behind our walls wouldnt be any better given the situation.
We need the king's army asap.

[Gervassen]

My point is, we'll need someone to command the forces we leave behind, and so that's either Marna or Alan(as Captain of the Watch: Since Fin is our Militia Captain he'll be coming with us on campaign).

Fair point, but these circumstances are extremely bad. I'd rather she weren't pregnant at all. A late-term pregnant woman isn't going to travel well.

Also, a note about the asymmetrical warfare to harmonize what we're doing. I think we can all agree that this relies on dismounting most of our archers and footmen in some place with good cover, a roadside copse of wood, a thick hedgerow, a small abandoned village, a stone fence along the road, a gorge, etc. Those of us with the fastest mounts ride ahead to scout their encampments, and possibly lure some of their light cavalry into following us, then ride past our ambush site. Repeat at different places as possible. From the way they chased our messenger, they seem very eager to pursue--we can rid them of that eagerness.

[kahn1234]

My point is, we'll need someone to command the forces we leave behind, and so that's either Marna or Alan(as Captain of the Watch: Since Fin is our Militia Captain he'll be coming with us on campaign).

Fair point, but these circumstances are extremely bad. I'd rather she weren't pregnant at all. A late-term pregnant woman isn't going to travel well.

Also, a note about the asymmetrical warfare to harmonize what we're doing. I think we can all agree that this relies on dismounting most of our archers and footmen in some place with good cover, a roadside copse of wood, a thick hedgerow, a small abandoned village, a stone fence along the road, a gorge, etc. Those of us with the fastest mounts ride ahead to scout their encampments, and possibly lure some of their light cavalry into following us, then ride past our ambush site. Repeat at different places as possible. From the way they chased our messenger, they seem very eager to pursue--we can rid them of that eagerness.

Queen Elizabeth went into battle in full plate armour when she was 8 months pregnant. Women dont suddenly become meek and weak when pregnant.

[tryrar]

My point is, we'll need someone to command the forces we leave behind, and so that's either Marna or Alan(as Captain of the Watch: Since Fin is our Militia Captain he'll be coming with us on campaign).

Fair point, but these circumstances are extremely bad. I'd rather she weren't pregnant at all. A late-term pregnant woman isn't going to travel well.

Also, a note about the asymmetrical warfare to harmonize what we're doing. I think we can all agree that this relies on dismounting most of our archers and footmen in some place with good cover, a roadside copse of wood, a thick hedgerow, a small abandoned village, a stone fence along the road, a gorge, etc. Those of us with the fastest mounts ride ahead to scout their encampments, and possibly lure some of their light cavalry into following us, then ride past our ambush site. Repeat at different places as possible. From the way they chased our messenger, they seem very eager to pursue--we can rid them of that eagerness.

Queen Elizabeth went into battle in full plate armour when she was 8 months pregnant. Women dont suddenly become meek and weak when pregnant.

........huzzah wha...? source. Please!(Not doubting you just wanna read more about that, that's awesome! )

[Gervassen]

Queen Elizabeth went into battle in full plate armour when she was 8 months pregnant. Women dont suddenly become meek and weak when pregnant.

Erm... The virgin queen... pregnant... in armour? Let's pass over that remark before we get into talking about  depictions of women in Hollywood rubbish films.

Actually, women are relatively weak even before they're pregnant. Arm-wrestle a few. When they're pregnant, they miscarry hella easily, and a significant amount of women die at this time in even the best birthing conditions.

[kahn1234]

My point is, we'll need someone to command the forces we leave behind, and so that's either Marna or Alan(as Captain of the Watch: Since Fin is our Militia Captain he'll be coming with us on campaign).

Fair point, but these circumstances are extremely bad. I'd rather she weren't pregnant at all. A late-term pregnant woman isn't going to travel well.

Also, a note about the asymmetrical warfare to harmonize what we're doing. I think we can all agree that this relies on dismounting most of our archers and footmen in some place with good cover, a roadside copse of wood, a thick hedgerow, a small abandoned village, a stone fence along the road, a gorge, etc. Those of us with the fastest mounts ride ahead to scout their encampments, and possibly lure some of their light cavalry into following us, then ride past our ambush site. Repeat at different places as possible. From the way they chased our messenger, they seem very eager to pursue--we can rid them of that eagerness.

Queen Elizabeth went into battle in full plate armour when she was 8 months pregnant. Women dont suddenly become meek and weak when pregnant.

........huzzah wha...? source. Please!(Not doubting you just wanna read more about that, that's awesome! )

It was when she had raised an army to face the invading Spanish Armada. Turned out the Army wasn't needed as the English Navy outperformed the Spaniards.

She didnt actually GO INTO BATTLE, it was more like sitting on a moving horse giving a speech in plate armour whilst 8 months pregnant with many horrified advisers and aids following her like puppies in front of a huge English army that was 100% loyal to her.

Queen Elizabeth went into battle in full plate armour when she was 8 months pregnant. Women dont suddenly become meek and weak when pregnant.

Erm... The virgin queen... pregnant... in armour? Let's pass over that remark before we get into talking about  depictions of women in Hollywood rubbish films.

Actually, women are relatively weak even before they're pregnant. Arm-wrestle a few. When they're pregnant, they miscarry hella easily, and a significant amount of women die at this time in even the best birthing conditions.

I'm sure it was Queen Elizabeth...

EDIT: it was, but she wasn't pregnant. my bad. and a silver-coloured plate cuirass over a velvet dress sounds classy.

[kaian-a-coel]

Queen Elizabeth went into battle in full plate armour when she was 8 months pregnant. Women dont suddenly become meek and weak when pregnant.

I... uh... Doubt it heavily. Especially when said queen had no children (was she ever pregnant?)
You have to admit that pregnancy is quite the big deal, and make most women physically weaker.

Speaking of full plate armor, I think it is unsuited to harassment tactics like we are going to engage (due to being horribly heavy), so I'll suggest sticking with our lighter mail armour as long as we're hit & running. And take a bow for ourselves.

[Gervassen]

........huzzah wha...? source. Please!(Not doubting you just wanna read more about that, that's awesome! )

There can be only one source here. Queen Elizabeth donned a silver breastplate once for a few hours as a stunt at Tilbury just after her ships had beaten the Armada. It was an ornate cuirass. It was not full armour. She did not ride into any battle ever. She was not pregnant ever.

If it sounds awesome, it probably didn't happen.

[kahn1234]

Queen Elizabeth went into battle in full plate armour when she was 8 months pregnant. Women dont suddenly become meek and weak when pregnant.

I... uh... Doubt it heavily. Especially when said queen had no children (was she ever pregnant?)
You have to admit that pregnancy is quite the big deal, and make most women physically weaker.

Speaking of full plate armor, I think it is unsuited to harassment tactics like we are going to engage (due to being horribly heavy), so I'll suggest sticking with our lighter mail armour as long as we're hit & running. And take a bow for ourselves.

"(due to being horribly heavy)" "lighter mail armour"

Please dont make that mistake. they are both roughly the same weight (contrary to popular belief) and plate is actually lighter as instead of resting on the shoulders and hips only (and being far more fatiguing) plate armour fits the entire body and equally distributes weight.

Stick with plate armour.

And Gerv, i've already said i made a mistake. must have been mixing up my Queens.

[tryrar]

Well lets not argue sources and stuff like that and just get an update. Looks like we've suggested all we're gonna for this turn unless someone else has something to add....?

Queen Elizabeth went into battle in full plate armour when she was 8 months pregnant. Women dont suddenly become meek and weak when pregnant.

I... uh... Doubt it heavily. Especially when said queen had no children (was she ever pregnant?)
You have to admit that pregnancy is quite the big deal, and make most women physically weaker.

Speaking of full plate armor, I think it is unsuited to harassment tactics like we are going to engage (due to being horribly heavy), so I'll suggest sticking with our lighter mail armour as long as we're hit & running. And take a bow for ourselves.

"(due to being horribly heavy)" "lighter mail armour"

Please dont make that mistake. they are both roughly the same weight (contrary to popular belief) and plate is actually lighter as instead of resting on the shoulders and hips only (and being far more fatiguing) plate armour fits the entire body and equally distributes weight.

Stick with plate armour.

And Gerv, i've already said i made a mistake. must have been mixing up my Queens.

If you substitute "weight" for "restriction" then he might have a point. While plate armor is surprisingly light and relatively nonrestrictive(there are reports of knights being able to do handstands and tumbling tricks while wearing it!), it still interferes with archery enough to be an issue. So unless we ARE gonna be with our archers, stick to the plate mail

[Gervassen]

Yeah, he has a point on being light, if not the specifics. Possibly we should chance wearing only brigandine and leathers, like our archers. Speed is better armour right now. Our hunter is also probably a better choice than our destrier, which marks us as a knight, too.

[kahn1234]

Well lets not argue sources and stuff like that and just get an update. Looks like we've suggested all we're gonna for this turn unless someone else has something to add....?

Queen Elizabeth went into battle in full plate armour when she was 8 months pregnant. Women dont suddenly become meek and weak when pregnant.

I... uh... Doubt it heavily. Especially when said queen had no children (was she ever pregnant?)
You have to admit that pregnancy is quite the big deal, and make most women physically weaker.

Speaking of full plate armor, I think it is unsuited to harassment tactics like we are going to engage (due to being horribly heavy), so I'll suggest sticking with our lighter mail armour as long as we're hit & running. And take a bow for ourselves.

"(due to being horribly heavy)" "lighter mail armour"

Please dont make that mistake. they are both roughly the same weight (contrary to popular belief) and plate is actually lighter as instead of resting on the shoulders and hips only (and being far more fatiguing) plate armour fits the entire body and equally distributes weight.

Stick with plate armour.

And Gerv, i've already said i made a mistake. must have been mixing up my Queens.

If you substitute "weight" for "restriction" then he might have a point. While plate armor is surprisingly light and relatively nonrestrictive(there are reports of knights being able to do handstands and tumbling tricks while wearing it!), it still interferes with archery enough to be an issue. So unless we ARE gonna be with our archers, stick to the plate mail

Depending on the design of the gauntlets, it could be tricky. Simple solution: take the gauntlets off, hang them off of our belt (or put them in a satchel on the belt) and use bare hands. But then again, firing a longbow from horseback is hard anyway. I think there was a reason we went with the Dragoon option.

[Maldevious]

Good turn. Happy GM. Well done, everyone.

Year 5, September

Immediately, you send off riders to all the nearby Lords, the Mayor of Carshire, and three riders to the King warning them of what your rider has told you. You have the scribe draw several likenesses of banners for the note to the King, and explain that you plan on taking your forces downstream shortly in order to harass the enemy supplies. The riders are off, and that is that.

With the harvest fast approaching, you feel your people beginning to grow uneasy. The refugees continue to trickle in, and you decide that you will send the women, including Marna, upstream to the Abbey. You tell Alan that he is to lead this expedition, and privately explain that if things get hairy, he is to spirit Marna away to the King's court. He agrees to this, and quickly moves to lead the women away from the town. You bid Marna farewell, and tell her to care for your child. She nods stoically, and tells you to watch out for yourself.

You spend the next two days calling up the levy, arming the remaining men as best as you can with crude halberds, bows, and fur armor. In total, there are around another 140 men of fighting age, eighty of which fight with the bow and sixty of which wield the halberd.

The next morning, you gather all of the men, preparing to give a rousing speech before starting to prepare your defenses. You have a great speech in mind, full of tawdry jokes and challenges towards the refugees to take up arms and join your levies. You gather in the town square, which is packed full of your soldiers and levy, when suddenly an alarm goes up.

The gate is flung open, and a group of your Rangers tears into the town, yelling a warning. Six longboats are headed up the river, and are only just behind the Rangers. Your stomach drops. All of your men are behind the palisade. The farms, the barracks, your manor, the mines... these are all unprotected. Your only consolidation is that your forces aren't spread out. But if you let the riverboats past your lands, the womenfolk are only a few days travel north of your town, and likely not to the abbey yet.

What will you do? You had grand plans for river chains, ballista, and riding out to harass the enemy, but the situation has evolved rapidly.

Roleplaying, go!

Spoiler: "Sir Samuel Stone" (click to show/hide)

Age: 23 (February birthday)
Spouse: Lady Marna Stone - Three months pregnant
Average Health
Elite Fitness
Literate
Natural Archer
Fine Man of the People
Above Average Swordswman
Above Average Rider
Above Average Woodsman
Average Etiquette
Average Lancer
Average Shield User
Average Armor User
Poor Legal Mind
Poor Rhetoric
Poor History

Spoiler: "Equipment and Possessions" (click to show/hide)

Weapons
Militia-grade Short Sword
Fine Longsword
Iron Lance

Armor
Steel Plate Armor
Mail Shirt
Brigandine Armor
Fur cloak and leggings
Iron Shield
Steel Barding for Destrier

Transport
Felucca
Mottled Grey Hunter
White Destrier

Housing
Brick and Lumber Manor
Fine Furniture
Stag Skull
Falconry Mews

Misc.
Average Clothing
Silver Sun Necklace with Gold Pendant
Bound New Testament
Book of Laws
Cask of Beer
Stone Weights

Spoiler: "Feroshire (Capital Town)" (click to show/hide)

Treasury - Low
210 Citizens

Services and Housing
Nice Communal Housing
Mix of Wood and Brick Housing
Nice Inn
Rowdy Inn
Small Courthouse
Small School and Scribe

Defense
Wooden Palisade with watchtowers
Cleared and graded area for tower
Cleared and graded area for walls

Trade and Travel
Brick Roads
Medium Brick Paved Market
Medium Dockyard
Two-way Ferry
River Parlon (being dredged)

Industry
Large Clayworks
Smokehouse
Watermill (Lumber Mill and Grindstone)
Growing Shipyard
Brewery
Stables - Large herd of horses
Small Furniture Workshop

Spoiler: "Your Land" (click to show/hide)

Medium (5x city size) population (Loyal)
River Parlon (fertile banks on both sides, light forest to the north)

Farming
Nice parcel farms south of the river (four field crop rotation)
Fine Communal Farm (four field crop rotation)
Medium Vineyard
Large Flock of Sheep
Communal Grazing Land

Defense
Fortified Average Barracks, Armory, and Obstacle Course with Furnaces and Forges
Jousting practice field

Trade and Travel
Gravel Roads
Medium Warehouse

Industry
Medium Fishing Fleet
Fortified Mines north of river (silver, copper, gold, iron, gems)
   * Small community of miners in communal houses

Misc.
Trash Pit
Graveyard

Spoiler: "Your Forces" (click to show/hide)

Ranged - Longbows, iron short swords, fur armor, mounts
Five veteran Archers
Ten regular Rangers
Ten regular Archers

Melee - Iron halberds, iron brigandine armor, iron short swords, mounts
Twenty regular Halberdiers

Reserve - Iron short swords, fur armor, wooden shields
Ten regular Watchmen
Mandatory Bow or Halberd Training for Able-bodied Men

Spoiler: "Your people" (click to show/hide)

Skilled Potters
Above Average Jewelers
Above Average Trappers
Above Average Miners
Journeymen Metalworkers
Journeymen Masons
Journeymen Furniture Builders
Journeymen Wine Makers
Novice Horse Breeders
Novice Weaponsmiths
Novice Armorers

Spoiler: "Nearby" (click to show/hide)

Market Town of Carshire - Gravel Road
Folesden - Land of Count Foles - Downstream
   * Curbiston - County Seat of Folesden
Land of Sir Denton - Upstream
Land of Sir Percival - Adjacent to Sir Denton's land, across the river
Hemswood Abbey - Far Upstream - Known for dark beer
Lands of Duke Erran - Across the river to the north - Used for hunting
Duke Erran's Capital - Sprawling metropolis with a bustling port located on a wide estuary

Spoiler: "Known Lords by Rank and Relationship" (click to show/hide)

King Edward Geronos IV, Lord of the Falls, Keeper of the Flame, Seer of the Dawn - Vaguely remembered

Duke Erran - Pleasant

Count Aaron Foles - Your Liege Lord - An angry drunkard - Antagonistic
Count Gorgan - A fine fighter - Introduced
Count Zanders - Introduced

Sir Blake Denton - Friendly
Sir Alan Percival - Friendly
Sir Uriel Lope - Count's Marshall - Unsure
Sir Melvin - Lady Marna's brother, Duke Erran's nephew - Friendly
Sir Ivanson - A renowned jouster - Introduced
Sir Owen - A household Knight of Count Zanders - Rival

Lady Marna - Wife - Loving
Lady Iris - Lady Marna's mother, Duke Erran's younger sister - Cordial

Spoiler: "Important Citizens by Occupation" (click to show/hide)

Alan Alanson - Squire, Captain of the Watch
Fin - Captain of the Militia
William Dent - Steward, Mayor
Victor Irlof - Master of the Market, Treasurer
Curtis Stumpf - Miner, Councilman
Ian Wood - Carpenter, Councilman
Marge Kannity - Brewer

Shipwright
Architect
Armorer
Weaponsmith
Horse Breeder
Scribe
Healer

[tryrar]

Quick question: Did we institute that impromptu navy at least? Because they need to very much fucking delay those longboats at least until we can get archers to assault them.

[kahn1234]

Get the Archers to places where they can fire on the approaching ships. have the Halbardiers to line the shoreline, with our regular, well equipped troops at the most vital parts of the defense.

Get any and all remaining men to the mine and other important areas.

Also, ask the rangers how big the longboats are, and how many men they estimate are on each.