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[Bluerobin]

I'm sure I don't know anything at all about that.

[ThtblovesDF]

I just imagine a moose knocking on Dwarfy MCPeasents door "Tax please"


Who would you say has the strongest PD of our players? I feel like the harpys I have ... are a mixed bag, consistently losing vs archers...

[Karlito]

Harpies are a decent deterrent against certain types of thugs, namely, those that have to charge themselves up with spells first. They've ended several of Jomon's attempts at raiding me in Round 9. The archers and horsey archers that I have will get rid of barbarian hordes no problem, but they have trouble with anything else.

[Bluerobin]

I think mine are pretty crap, but I buy them anyway. Oh well, maybe they'll find a spy or two. Typically heavily armored nations or ones with giants get reasonable PD, while the rest are a bit of a mixed bag.

As an aside, Caelum's PD is completely worthless except for extreme edge cases. They get light flying melee troops and archers, both of which could have their purpose (melee troops could be good for the same things harpies are, and Caelum's archers are quite good especially for their cost), but the mixture of the two means that half of your PD charges in then the other half fills them full of arrows. Woo instant rout!

[gman8181]

At least you don't get tiny little monkeys with sticks and rocks for your pd.  I have to actually defend my territory with armies

[Bluerobin]

I was actually going to say that monkey PD is preferable because you can at least buff them and have them not kill your own units, but it didn't end up making it in to my first post. Also, just so you know, Sticks and Stones is a pretty nice ranged weapon because it benefits (to both range and damage) from the strength of the unit using it, which makes it really easy to buff. Plus monkeys are cheap and you get a lot of them!

[gman8181]

They aren't useful on their own.  I guess they could be good with a couple buffs thrown down on them but if I was going to start plopping down mages on each of my provinces just to buff province defense little monkeys, I might as well just put down one of my recruitable priest mage on each province and set them to constantly reanimate longdead.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   Yes but the long dead don't insta respawn, thats the one thing that even if my nation has horrible PD makes me like it.

[gman8181]

Yeah but assuming you use an intelligent number of priests, you'll probably have enough anyway and if there are extra you can throw them on a commander and ship em out for conquest which is something that makes them quite a bit more valuable than pd imo.

That said I do think pd has its uses, I just don't normally use a lot of it for certain nations like lanka.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   Well yeah, some nations PD couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag but still a little is always needed if anything because the first few points are so cheap for what you get.

[ThtblovesDF]

New turn -

I wonder why none wants to hire black bone's Pirates anymore, but I know he regrets his short, previous employment.

[Karlito]

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I think his prices need a little work.

Say, are there any items that grant fear that aren't the horror helmet or a two handed weapon?

[Il Palazzo]

Say, are there any items that grant fear that aren't the horror helmet or a two handed weapon?

Gift of Kurgi and Black Book of Secrets.

[Karlito]

Oh nice, I missed the Black Book of Secrets. I'm playing a game called "How much fear can one Witch King have?" I think the answers is a hypothetical D5 Witch King(1/160 chance) wielding The Sceptre of Dark Regency, Lantern Shield, Horror Helmet, Robe of the Magi, the Gift of Kurgi, and the Black Book of Secrets, who would have Fear +55, which I believe is a morale check against 21 (97% chance of success against a normal unit) that has an area of effect of 61 squares (183 tightly packed units).

I'm pretty sure he'd also be killed by the Slave to Unreason in about 6 months.

[Bluerobin]

Everything on this list, apparently: