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[Owlbread]

I believe I have someone's... well, I don't know if you'd call it a citation, but I have someone's order of lenin and order of the red banner "citation" dated the 19th of October 1987. I am struggling however to make out whether the guy was born in 1972, or 1912, because if he was born in 1972 he'd only be 15 years old (unlikely). I can also make out that his name appears to be "Александр Михаилович Т..." I obviously can't make out his surname. I'd quite like to know who he was and what he received these medals for.

Spoiler: Here is a scan of the text: (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: PS: Can you also make out what this says? Is that the guy's name on the top right? The guy's surname on the first picture begins with a T anyway, it just looks like "Tuchemya", which is very strange. On this image the name looks like "Talerm" (click to show/hide)

I tried using the Russian version of wikipedia and found this guy:

Spoiler: Huge link (click to show/hide)

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1%8E%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD,_%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87#.D0.9D.D0.B0.D0.B3.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.B4.D1.8B_.D0.B8_.D0.B7.D0.B2.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1.8F

But I don't think it's him. He's born in 1914 and got a medal around 1986 or something but it doesn't match up.

Regards, Owlbread.

[Svarte Troner]

Before the actual Russian speakers get here: His name is Aleksandr Mihailovich T.
The guy from the link: Георгий Александрович Тюлин is Georgiy Aleksandrovich Tyulin

[Owlbread]

Before the actual Russian speakers get here: His name is Aleksandr Mihailovich T.
The guy from the link: Георгий Александрович Тюлин is Georgiy Aleksandrovich Tyulin

Yes, we can both read cyrillic. But can you read that Soviet official's handwriting? His handwriting is as bad as mine.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Vector and Deon are both fluent in Russian. The former is currently on forum hiatus and the latter cannot only speak Russian but is actually Russian.

[Owlbread]

Vector and Deon are both fluent in Russian. The former is currently on forum hiatus and the latter cannot only speak Russian but is actually Russian.

Mr. Deon would be very useful in this endeavour, in that case.

[Svarte Troner]

Before the actual Russian speakers get here: His name is Aleksandr Mihailovich T.
The guy from the link: Георгий Александрович Тюлин is Georgiy Aleksandrovich Tyulin

Yes, we can both read cyrillic. But can you read that Soviet official's handwriting?

This is pretty much a shot in the dark, but I could get up to the 4th line.

I think the first part is his father's name or family name Mikhail because there's too few letters to spell Mikhailovich?
The next line with the word Otchestvo is the patronymic name which looks like Alexander.
This next line is pretty confusing looking, but год рожд-- is year of birth, and the number that looks like it could be either a 1 or 7 is probably a 7 because of the cursive horizontal line. Judging by the way he wrote the 1 in the month part of the date, I'd say in order for it to be 1912, they'd look similar, which they aren't, so he was born in '72 instead of '12, making him 15.

On that second spoiler, the "Talerm" looking word doesn't even start with a T unless this guy wrote a non -cursive 't'. Cursive t's look more like a lower case m I believe.

I'd just hold off until an actual Russian arrives to clear this up.

[Owlbread]

Before the actual Russian speakers get here: His name is Aleksandr Mihailovich T.
The guy from the link: Георгий Александрович Тюлин is Georgiy Aleksandrovich Tyulin

Yes, we can both read cyrillic. But can you read that Soviet official's handwriting?

This is pretty much a shot in the dark, but I could get up to the 4th line.

I think the first part is his father's name or family name Mikhail because there's too few letters to spell Mikhailovich?
The next line with the word Otchestvo is the patronymic name which looks like Alexander.
This next line is pretty confusing looking, but год рожд-- is year of birth, and the number that looks like it could be either a 1 or 7 is probably a 7 because of the cursive horizontal line. Judging by the way he wrote the 1 in the month part of the date, I'd say in order for it to be 1912, they'd look similar, which they aren't, so he was born in '72 instead of '12, making him 15.

On that second spoiler, the "Talerm" looking word doesn't even start with a T unless this guy wrote a non -cursive 't'. Cursive t's look more like a lower case m I believe.

I'd just hold off until an actual Russian arrives to clear this up.

The thing is though, the first line says "familia" meaning his family name. That first bit looks a lot like an m, but I think that's the Russian handwritten T. It's how they taught me to do mine, anyway. The next part is his patronymic, and I can make out Aleksandr like you said but also the Mikhailovich bit. I think you're also right about the second spoiler.

[Svarte Troner]

Hmmm, come to think of it, you're right about that first word. It's not Mikhail, that's for sure. It could look like a 'Tch..' or a 'Tuch..'?

It probably wouldn't help that you made this thread while it's 4 AM in Russia 
I'll keep an eye on this until tomorrow morning when Russia awakens.

edit: I guess that third line is just Mihailovich, the spacing in the middle there looked odd to me.
edit2: I sent a pm to Guardian G.I. from Belarus, he's helped me with Russian before so he might be able to help with this.

[Dorten]

Russian here!

Family name (first string) is hardly readable - bad handwriting, but it starts with 'Жу' (Zhu) for sure
Name is Александр (Alexander)
Father's name is Михайлович (Michailovich), so his father's name was Михаил (Michail, or Michael, if you want English analogue)

The document is a membership card of Voluntary Society for Assisting Army, Air Force and Navy  (ДОСААФ), given to him by his eight-year school. So it could have been given to him after just finishing school at 15 years.

Second thing is written with a handwriting SO bad, that I can't add anything to the things you've already recognized, sadly.


EDIT: After some discussion, me and my coworkers decided, that family name most probably is Жученя (Zhuchenya), derived from Жук (beetle) if you are curious.


And most importantly. Order of Lenin and order of the Red Banner, which are printed on this document are not His orders, but orders awarded to the organization of DSAAAFN. So they are printed on almost every document, considering this organization.


EDIT of EDIT:
After looking at the stamp on the first photo and seeing the words 'ДОСААФ Эстонской ССР' (DSAAAFN of Estonian Soviet Socialistic Republic), my brain clicked! The word in the top right of second document is "Tallinn", written in roman.

[cerapa]

Yep, thats Tallinn.

I dont know what its for though. The k looks a lot like an n, but I suppose it says "komplekt", which means a set or a kit. Was there anything else written on that?

[RedKing]

Yeah, you guys beat me to it, but the second card is definitely Tallinn (i.e. capital of Estonia, formerly the Estonian S.S.R.). Date looks like 01.06.79. Further supported by the seal on the award card -- starts out ENSV, which is an abbreviation in Estonian for "Eesti Nġukogude Sotsialistliku Vabariigi", or "Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic". Next line inside contains "эстонской CCP", which is Russian for the same thing. Looks like the seal might have been bilingual Estonian/Russian. Which could complicate the odd surname issue, if the recipient was an ethnic Estonian.

The birthdate does look to be 1972, because down on the entry date of 1987, the writer used the same crossbar to indicate a 7 rather than a 2. A 14-year old recipient (award looks to be dated 19 October 1987, 9 days before the recipient's 15th birthday) would be unusual, but the Order of Lenin was given out to many civilian recipients over the years as well.

Further supporting that is that on the award card, the organization who sponsored him for the award (наименование организации ведавший билет) ends in shkola, "school". Damned if I can read the name of the school, though -- Cyrillic cursive is a nightmare to decipher. I've had a lot of practice reading old Volga German documents, but it still gives me a headacahe.

EDIT: The more I think about it, the more I'm not even sure the two documents are related, other than both having likely come out of Estonia.
DOUBLE-EDIT: Just now noticed Dorten's post up above. So yeah....what he said. 

[Owlbread]

Thanks very much guys, this has cleared up a lot. I wonder what it would be like to track this guy down and give it back to him.